LOTS of fake acid going around. It's really a chemical called NBOME!

How do I know my acid is really NBOME?

Answer: It tastes VERY bitter, the taste gets worse when you drink liquids, it gets spread around. It also causes local numbing and tingling. This chemical has nothing to do with LSD. The only reason you got sold it as "acid" is because it can fit on blotter paper and it's dirt cheap. It's also much more dangerous than LSD (several deaths, tons of hospitalizations) and has virtually no scientific data known about it.

Note: real LSD blotters sometimes have a slightly bitter taste to them, but they don't cause numbness, tingling, and the taste doesn't get spread around with liquids, and it's far less bitter than NBOME bitter.

Research chemicals are inherently a "playing with fire" business. Essentially, the longer a chemical is out, the more research is done with it, the more we have some idea of its safety profile in humans. The 25x-nbome series is one of the newest families of psychedelics to enter the marketplace, and there has already been a lot of human use. The initial reports were all extremely positive, with some of these (25c and 25i in particular) being hailed as equals to LSD, or better than LSD, or the new LSD.

However as time has continued to pass and more and more individuals sample these chemicals in a wider variety of set, settings, and most importantly, combinations, there are emerging some red flags, and I would like this thread to be an open repository of information regarding those red flags.

Although the mechanism of action of these chemicals is not completely known, we can assume from their molecular structure and subjective effects that they act primarily on the serotonin system.

There are emerging two distinct areas of concern with these chemicals.

1) Lingering effects caused by strain on the serotonin system

2) Acute Vasoconstriction

What do these mean?

The first means that users are reporting that after using this substance, they have lingering effects that are extremely similar to what MDMA users would call "suicide tuesdays". That is, depression, irritability, heightened levels of arousal and anxiety, and memory impairment. It is very important to note that this area of concern is HUGELY affected by the users drug habits. If you have been tripping twice a week for the past 6 months, and then have a strong NBOME trip and feel like you're a little "stupid" for a few days or weeks afterwards, understand that a big part of that is the previous use of drugs. Your brain is a complex and delicate self-balancing ecology of chemicals, receptors, and electrical activity. You can think of it as a big lake that you require both for water and for swimming pleasure. If you continue to have big parties in the lake every weekend, with people pissing in it, litter being thrown into it, and it generally being abused, and then suddenly a few months down the line you think to yourself "gosh the water in here tastes like crap", well, that means that its time to stop having parties in it and let the natural state of nature come back (which it will, slowly, with sobriety).

The second means that while under the effects of this chemical, blood vessels are tightened, which effects blood flow in the body, particularly to extremities like hands, fingers, feet, toes, etc. This presents as pins and needles (potentially painful), blue/purple discoloration, and swelling. This condition has the potential to kill you. It is completely counter-indicated for people who have a history of cardiovascular issues. This effect seems to be most pronounced when combining NBOMEs with other chemicals.

Chemicals which are likely dangerous to combine with NBOME are:

MDMA
LSD
COCAINE
METHAMPHETAMINE
DOX

I have had several trips now on 25c+25i blotters, and on their own I do not notice any signs of vasoconstriction, although some people do. This is highly dose sensitive and has a lot to do with your individual body. I had one trip where I combined those same 25i+25c blotters with LSD, and I had the worst vasoconstriction I've ever experienced in my life. It really scared my during the trip. I did not write about it for a long time because at the time I could not be sure what happened. The trip was immensly intense, and even inside the peak I thought "holy shit, is this vasoconstriction? this is really bad" but afterwards I questioned my judgement, and thought perhaps I was just feeling something else, was tripping hard, had anxiety, was being a hypochondriac, etc. Since then I have read that others have experienced the same thing particularly when combining NBOME with LSD. The effects I felt were STRONG pins and needles throughout my body, a strange sensation in my heart, a little light-headedness, and a little tightness in my chest. It made me instantly listen to my body, and what I heard was "never ever do this combination again!"

My gf and I have both felt that since this trip our mental state is not 100% baseline. Important to note, this is after a summer of many trips, and this trip was one HELL of a trip. The exact same thing happened to me two summers ago. I took aMT every weekend for a few months, and then I dosed 50mg 4-aco-dmt and suffered several weeks of a battered serotonin system. So I am being careful here to point out that NBOME on its own is not likely to suddenly make you stupid, but rather it is demanding enough on your brain to exacerbate an already stressed chemical system if you trip often.

Please post your own stories so that we can add to the communal knowledge base of this very new class of psychedelics. They are incredible enough that they deserve to be rigorously examined as potential therapeutic agents, and the first step in that is to establish a safety profile for them.

Cheers


As of March 2013 this is the only article I can find on academic databases about NBOME:

source: Clinical Toxicology. Mar2013, Vol. 51 Issue 3, p174-177. 4p

LOTS of people reporting blackouts, violent behavior, be careful with this stuff! If you know someone selling it as acid, do what you can to stop this.

 

1.4 (yes 1.4) weeks ago had a test dose of 5-meo-mipt of 5mg's, a little woozy, wanted to be something. We had a test dose of 500mcg (trans-dermal with DMSO) 2 weeks ago.

We consumed 15mg 5-meo-mipt, then 2 hours later -+5mg more each, last weekend, what a blast that was!

Been reading all I can because we plan on 1.5mg 25i nbome this weekend.
Seems a bit high, but low enough.
I figure we can handle that.

But I am confused, seems some people freak out on 750mcg's and others have a great time on 1-1.5+
The bad times usually begin past 3-4mgs for a lot of people, too intense or something.

But generally most people do alright around 1mg.

I have never tripped beyond threshold on this 25i nbome, but me and my brother are experienced with other mind benders.
Problem is he had one of those shroom trips where he believed he was dying, but that is common to shrooms. He never wants to do mushrooms anymore.

I have read this 25i nbome causes thought loops, just like shrooms, so I am wondering, can these thought loops cause a bad trip, are they easy to bust out of?

Any opinions are welcome as to what dose we should take.

Apparently a lot of people can be overwhelmed with 10mg's of 5-meo-mipt, but at 15mg's we had a great time. (the second 5mg dose did nothing, too late)

 

Great post. I think these RCs, will, unfortunately circulate as LSD and most people will believe it. Hopefully it doesn't kill the LSD market...

 

Around here the LSD market is already dead, been so since the late 90's.
Since then I have had CRAP. Just waiting for the LSD pipeline to start pumping again. In the 1980's it was everywhere.
If I was to get some blotter at this point in time, I would not ingest 4-5 hits anymore like usual, I would test 1 hit just to make sure it is acid first.

Bromo-dragonfly scares the shit out of me, and who knows what else is subbed for 'cid. I really don't want to lose fingers and toes and I don't want to die or wind up in the hospital when all I want to do is have a good time with the intended chemical tool.

Is vasoconstriction really a concern with 25i nbome though? It is bothersome with LSA, if I sit too long the backs of my legs turn to knots, but I find a vasodilator like cinnamon extract (6-10 drops or so) really helps with that.

 

I thought I should link this thread, since it's in the same vein of harm reduction with regards to this series of chemicals.

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=454481&f=48

I have 10mg of i and c coming, so I'll have more to add in a couple weeks or so.

So far I've had two experiences with 25c-nbome at 1mg each, first sublingually, and second intranasally. The first time was notably weaker, but both trips were enjoyable. The only unpleasant side affect for either trip was kind of an average body load, nothing too bad, just mildly bothersome sometimes, and a mild headache both times on the come down.

I've never experienced vasoconstriction, even from morning glories, so I can't comment on that except that I definitely didn't have it on c alone. As for lingering mental effects, neither low dose trip was enough to cause anything noticeable.

To be honest, in my few experiences I've found this compound to be very much of a "candy" psychedelic, capable of causing deep trips, but very visual and very easy to control, at least for someone with experience.

 

My LSA vasoconstriction is more annoyance than anything, just got to get up and move about. Not so much knots, just a tightness in the muscle telling me it needs flexing.
I am feeling 75% OK with a 1.5mg dose of 25i nbome. I really cannot wait to give it the full test.

PS, I really don't get most bad effects from anything that most people complain about with certain substances.

 

how many times have you tried those 25i/25c blotters, writer?

i thought it was only 1/2 blotter the first time, and then 1 blotter + 1 LSD blotter for the 2nd.
"several" makes me think you did it more than that.

thanks for posting this thread (and also for more thoroughly answering my PM)

why do you think 25x-nbome might be dangerous when combined with LSD?
i mean...i know your experience does, so that is valid.
but i would think that possibly 25i and 25c together in a combo, might be worse than either one of those with LSD. maybe it just doesn't work out that way though. i don't think L is supposed to be vasocontrictive, but i have felt some bizarre body feelings on LSD (not in a good way i mean)

 

There's plenty of real LSD around

 

yes.

Plus I would assume one day 25x-nbome will be made illegal and at that point it will loose allot of it's appeal to chemists. Right now it's a safer bet because there is money, but no jail to go with it.

People have been saying LSD is dead since the 60's when you could no longer get Sandoz LSD and somehow the street acid is not really true acid, yet it's still here decades later. I don't think it's going anywhere.

 

I got my order in :2thumbsup:

 

I hate you!
No I don't, just jealous. All I ever hear is rumours that it's around.
I sometimes think that those who can get it are either getting fake stuff or are quite vocal of their finding ability. How plenty is plenty, you were able to buy it on a consistent basis, different blotter designs or were you just privy to the same batch that there happens to be a lot of.
Can you buy a hundred lot whenever you want?

Probably all for the best as people don't really like having poo thrown at them, and I don't like it when people high on LSD throw poo at me.
Makes for a shitty time. But I know it real when I see a face, get the arm twitch and I gotta have a dump.

Acid is hard to find, that's why I no longer trust what is found.

 

This is more of a long term harm reduction, but I think the best thing is to get the word out that this stuff is out there and what it tastes and feels like (in your mouth more then the effects of it.)

I was recently at a festival, and have to say, I could have done a much better job at sharing information about this than I did. I usually don't bring up RCs out of the blue, because I'm afraid it will freak people out. But, now that I realize how much of a problem this is, I think it's essential that everyone who knows, spreads the word.

The more people know, the more the market will start to drop out on the nbome "acid" and there will be less around. I'm not sure if that means there will be more LSD, but at least there might be less nbome posing as acid.

 

It wouldn't be so bad to be told the truth by the dealer, but sometimes the dealer does not even know.
If I am not getting 'cid, at least tell me what I am buying.

If I was to sell, I would never sell 'acid' if it was really something else, if what they are getting instead is acceptable, tell the customer, at least they can be informed.
However, the drug market is somewhat quality controlled, ie. people get hurt if they sell fake shit to the wrong people.
At least years ago almost 100% of the time 'acid' was acid, but recent times, it was either very weak or something else.
Hate that, expecting a certain result and getting almost nothing, good thing for beer and weed backup as a default fallback .

 

nbome series are also dangerous because they don't have a reliable response, it varies person to person by dose. And the dose/response curve is *very* steep, so don't expect to double your dose if you had a medium strength trip and think it's a safe bet.

The risk of seizures is higher than with most psychedelics. They release a lot of SERT so are dangerous to combine with other SERT releasers or reuptake inhibitors.

Only done 25i one time... sniffed between 2-3mg. I tripped for almost 3 days and was so far gone I didn't even know I was tripping and had no idea that days had passed by the time I came down. It reminded me a lot of what I've read about Datura where you don't know what's real and what's not.

Mind you I can handle 10-strips of LSD and high doses of other psychedelics... but this stuff launched me straight into fantasy land.

It actually felt relatively easy on the body considering the extreme experience, but I still advise everyone to proceed with extreme caution with this one.

If you are getting liquid or blotters that numb your mouth, or you are told you have to hold in your gums... you got some nbome.

Also one thing about the 25i-nbome was that I got jack shit from the experience in terms of spiritual depth or insight. It was just confusion and hard to accurately recognize objects around me. And everything shimmered like glitter.

You're better off sticking to classic psychedelics with better effects and a lot safer.

 

Ive played around a fair bit with the NBOMe series, started off by orally taking the tabs which had little to no effect what so ever so these days NBOMe tabs are put up my nose.

For 25c 1.2mg seems to do the trick, minimal body load/anxiety maybe a tiny bit on the come up i find the trip to be overly strong visual wise which reaches a point where i simply cant see, total sensory overload. Combined with nitrous i have full OBE's that land me in strange worlds that seem real. Personally 25c has to be my favorite psych as far as visuals & the spiritual side of things go, 1.2mg reminds me of a DMT breakthough, encountering light beings and what not. Very little insight & personal reflection is offered though. As for another combo to stay away from dont mess around with 25c & MXE ive seen people lose their shit & go totally delusional...

As for 25i i didnt really enjoy that, one tab i cant remember the dose think it was around 1mg produced strong confusion, minimal visuals and a slight bodyload, when i decided to take a 2nd tab a good 4 hours later i spent 3 hours laying on the couch while my whole body vibrated and i was scared that id done my self in... I did find that the effects where much more mental, with a profound changed mind set & ability to look at thoughts in different ways.

As far as harm reduction goes putting the tabs up your nose is probably not the safest idea but it beats oral dosage of the drug, ive also had friends IV 25c at around the 1mg mark with no bad effects

 

I personally combined 3 hits of LSD with 25C-NBOMe at a music festival a couple months ago. I scored the cid from someone a friend knew and dosed 3 hits. I started tripping, and after about 2 hours into the trip I added about 750 mcg (that's 3/4 of a mg) of 25C-NBOMe in liquid form nasally out of an eye drop bottle. Minutes later, my trip began getting more and more intense, until it finally peaked after about 45 mins to an hour. And oh, what an amazingly positive experience it was! At that point, I went to the stage at this music festival and saw a really freaking good band for the first time, and the trip made the whole experience just so magical. I had some intense, awesome visuals. At my peak, before walking to the stage that night, I flicked my lighter to light a cigarette. This produced some of the craziest visuals I've ever seen. My whole field of vision suddenly lit up bright orange from the flame, but all I could see was row after row of circles full of sacred geometry patterns. I had to stop and flick my lighter a couple more times afterwards to see it again, as it was so beautiful but only showed up when I lit my lighter. Those shapes taking up my whole field of vision, with such intricate details, is a very memorable moment for me. However, I was seeing lots of other visuals, too. Music appreciation was greatly enhanced. The lights were awesome. I felt great the whole trip.
Absolutely no vasoconstriction was noticed for the entire duration of the trip. And this is something I would have noticed if it had happened to me, because I've experienced vasoconstriction from mephedrone and other cathinones in general. However, having said that, it is always important to remember that everyone's body is different. Most times, you just have to listen to what your body is trying to tell you. However, your brain can send weird signals and sensations through your body on psychedelics in general, so the important thing is to just experiment with some caution. I hope this helps add to the growing NBOMe knowledge.

And I will also say that 25C-NBOMe has had very spiritual effects on me, and I give it full credit to helping guide me to finding amazing spiritual information and with connecting me strong enough to my higher self to know that I was making small leaps spiritually every time I tripped on it myself.
I have only taken it nasally in liquid form. It works well, as you can dilute the NBOMe to whatever potency you desire. I find that mixing it up at each drop containing 250 mcg to be a good standard potency. This allows people new to the substance to take it slow if they choose, yet is strong enough to where you can trip really hard with only 3 or 4 drops. And the liquid will absorb right into your nose, so you barely even feel any discomfort while dosing. It is a bit awkward for some people to have to lay down and tilt their head back to let someone drip drops of water in their nose, but most people still try it and realize that it absorbed right in and wasn't really uncomfortable at all.
I prefer to start with about 3 drops, myself....which is 750 mcg total. Then after about 45 minutes in to the trip when the body load is suddenly lifted off and no longer leaving you in "holy shit, I'm tripping harder and harder" mode, I like to add another 2 to 3 drops (500 to 750 mcg). And that's what I love about the 25C-NBOMe compared to my old favorite LSD. With the NBOMe, you can totally control your level of tripping. If you are at least within the first 4 hours of your trip and decide you wish you were tripping harder, you can dose more NBOMe and notice a significant increase in visuals and depth of your experience in as soon as 5 minutes time! After you pass the 4-hour mark, however, it can sometimes require a larger redose, and often the effects are mild. I've heard about people taking 10 extra hits of NBOMe too late in their trip, and the trip increase was mild.
So, anyway, my point is that you can easily increase your trip at any time and therefore have a great tool for spiritual searching. This is not the case for LSD, where I feel like your best bet for the best trip is to take all of your acid at once, as opposed to taking a hit or two every couple hours. Redosing on acid can often be hit or miss.....most often a miss for me, and it turns out to be a waste of money. So with LSD, I feel like you have to dose all of your hits at once if you want a deep experience, and this is always a bit of a shot in the dark as you never know exactly how potent the acid is until after you've already taken it. So THAT is a big reason as to why I actually prefer 25C-NBOMe.

 

ya. once you get over a little hump on the 25's you can dose up.. i likes mixing the i/c together.

 

^^at what doses?

 

this chem is hard to measure , eye balling with a sewing needle is not recommended.. but thats how I do.. I consumed 10mg ea 25i/c in one weekend starting friday.. its really not as potent as some people are claiming. its has its beauty. like any other pysch it losses its luster really quick.

 

i don't think the fact you ate 10 mg of each throughout a weekend means anything about their potency. one could eat 50 hits of L in a weekend, but that doesn't mean LSD isn't very potent (and most of it would be wasted due to tolerance, like your 25x that weekend)