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#11 neonspectraltoast

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Posted December 01 2016 - 12:50 PM

 

 

I've always heard where there is smoke there is fire. 

 

Maybe that's true, but it's much less certain of a person who has "wronged" the US government in some way.  The establishment will do anything to smear someone like Julian Assange.  Normally I am suspicious about people who have had rape allegations leveled against them, but in the case of Julian...not really.  Maybe if he had some other charges besides that and treason, but it's highly likely the rape charges were a part of a smear campaign orchestrated by the US govt.  


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#12 Aerianne

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Posted December 01 2016 - 01:34 PM

I still feel like Julian Arrange is a hero for revealing all he has.
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Posted December 01 2016 - 02:14 PM

Maybe that's true, but it's much less certain of a person who has "wronged" the US government in some way.  The establishment will do anything to smear someone like Julian Assange.  Normally I am suspicious about people who have had rape allegations leveled against them, but in the case of Julian...not really.  Maybe if he had some other charges besides that and treason, but it's highly likely the rape charges were a part of a smear campaign orchestrated by the US govt.  

 

 

Just curious - so you think that the US orchestrated with Sweden to get women to make charges against Assange...

 

and the sexual assault charge (that started as a molestation charge) that wound up being basically null/void because of a time limit was just the start of this orchestration?  

 

The US would have to know years ahead of time that Assange would be behind the Wikileaks...so they started this undercover orchestration well ahead of time then...

 

edit:  AND this orchestration that began well before us commoners knew what was going on was done with Sweden.  

 

maybe the USA has a time machine somewhere.  :)


Edited by Lynnbrowngreen, December 01 2016 - 02:16 PM.


#14 neonspectraltoast

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Posted December 01 2016 - 04:07 PM

Just curious - so you think that the US orchestrated with Sweden to get women to make charges against Assange...

 

and the sexual assault charge (that started as a molestation charge) that wound up being basically null/void because of a time limit was just the start of this orchestration?  

 

The US would have to know years ahead of time that Assange would be behind the Wikileaks...so they started this undercover orchestration well ahead of time then...

 

edit:  AND this orchestration that began well before us commoners knew what was going on was done with Sweden.  

 

maybe the USA has a time machine somewhere.   :)

 

I'm not sure where you're getting your information.  Julian wasn't charged with anything until long after he started WikiLeaks.  He wasn't accused of anything until after he had already started WikiLeaks.  I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.

 

Likely as not, yes, the United States has colluded with these women to trump up charges against Julian Assange.  I'm so tired of this "incredulous" routine.  We all know what our government is capable of (thanks in part to WikiLeaks.)  So two women who had been with Assange were tracked down and coerced into charging him with rape, either through mind control or death threats or some kind of material compensation.  Big deal.  That's our government.  I'm not sure why the US would have had to collude with Swedish authorities, though.  He was charged in Sweden.  The fact that there was a charge isn't made up.  The girls accused him of rape.  I don't think Julian fled to the embassy so much to escape the rape charges as it was that things were becoming so intense that he probably feared for his life.  Though do I think it's possible that the United States government can influence authorities in Sweden?  Well...yeah...duh.  What do you think the CIA is?  A bunch of boy scouts?  

If you really want to focus on where the smoke is, focus on pizzagate.


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#15 Aerianne

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Posted December 01 2016 - 04:38 PM

Pizzagate is some awful, awful stuff.



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Posted December 01 2016 - 06:51 PM

Google is a wonder search engine!  

 

You can go to sites RIGHT UP FRONT...good, or reputable sites.

 

Anyway, all of these sites will provide the information about Jullian Assange which come when googled with "Julian Assange and Rape Charges".  You can also look up lots and lots on information about his "stay" at the embassy.  Apparently there is contrasting information..

 

I just go to the search engines (MANY OF THE ONES) on the first page (which boil down to 3 or 4) 

 

My information is correlated  and has been amazingly consistent across the board! about the same with no tangible difference whatsoever- and the range is from since 2010 and up to 2016.  

 

But anyway ...I'm really not coming from an uninformed stance.  


Edited by Lynnbrowngreen, December 01 2016 - 06:51 PM.


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Posted December 01 2016 - 08:09 PM

Julian Assange allegedly raped someone on August 11, 2010. He released the infamous Collateral Murder video in April of 2010. So Wikileaks gained notoriety before he was charged with rape, not after..

 

I don't know if he really raped anyone, I don't see how any of us could know for sure.  I know the US government and other world governments had plenty of reason to frame him for rape at the time he was charged though.


Edited by Meliai, December 01 2016 - 08:09 PM.

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#18 Lynnbrowngreen

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Posted December 01 2016 - 08:15 PM

I truly had found places indicating sightly prior dates of assualt; but when I looked again just now I see that yes...the video was prior to the allegations.  

 

I still don't trust him...but that is just me.  

 

It causes me to question what he has revealed and what and why...and I admit I wonder, for whom.  



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Posted December 01 2016 - 08:16 PM

Two things that have most framed my perspective on US foreign policy

Reading the Poisonwood Bible when I was 17, and subsequent research into the US involvement in the Congo

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The Collateral Murders video. Assange and Bradley/Chelsea Manning will always be heroes of mine for it, even if both are fallible heroes

Edited by Meliai, December 01 2016 - 08:19 PM.

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Posted December 02 2016 - 12:11 AM

So...I also don't understand "freeing" J Assange.  He chose this path.


He has been granted asylum under the 1951 UN refugee act. Which allows him free passage from the Ecuador embassy in London to Ecuador.
The UK police have surrounded the Ecuador Embassy in London, preventing him leavung for Ecuador therefor effectively imprisoning him.

This is the way the UK police always works, try to get a sexual assault accusation or conviction (or some other sexual misdemeanor, child porn on your PC, etc.) then chase forever.
The UK police tried to frame me for rape ..... the girl knew me, and phoned me up from her hospital bed after the attack to warn me, the police showed her a photo of me, and tried to get her to say I was the guy who attacked her. My brief (consultant for the EU court of human rights) said I should leave the UK before they managed to pin something on me.
(why did thy try to frame me, I had a complaint against 8 police officers, a conviction for anything would mean the complaint went away)
I have every sympathy for JA, these guys don't give up.

Edited by OldDude2, December 02 2016 - 12:20 AM.

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