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#11 themnax

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Posted September 21 2015 - 07:18 AM

"if its ours"

 

that's just the point.  it isn't.

 

everything is everyone's, until someone stands over it in an act of belligerence.  or if someone is actually using it for something. 

 

what saddnes me, is the attitude with which the now faided empires of europe, in their days of power, "discovered" the western hemisphere.

 

it is we, who will be the "primatives", sailing our canoes, into a "new york harbour" of civilizations, advanced, powerful, and mostly cooperative with each other, beyond our wildest imaginings.

 

if we think they're "ours" for the taking, we're idiots, and we'll very likely pay the price for being so.

 

what i'm trying to point out, is to be cautious of how ignorant, our, collective arrogance, really is.


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Posted September 21 2015 - 07:55 AM

How arrogant is it to think that humanity is intelligent? How arrogant is it to think that this is the only marble in the whole universe with life on it?

This solar system is only one of billions in this galaxy. There are hundreds of thousands of other galaxies. What are the odds that this is the only galaxy, with one single solar system, with one single marble with life on it? It's like believing the world is flat.

 

And what are the odds that no other life can be far more intelligent? What are the odds that there is no reason for any of it? Now that's fucking arrogant!

 

It's like that ant believing that humanity doesn't exist.


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Posted September 23 2015 - 02:54 AM

Why isn't it all ours to take?

I am saddened by that comment.


How about why isn't it ours to give....if it is ours?

 

Well, since I was the one saying that (why isn't it all ours to take?) let me explain: there is nothing at all to give anything to on close by planets or asteroids. So that's why it is all ours (inhabitants of earth) to take. So no need to let such harvesting or mindset sadden you :) If we would encounter extraterrestrial life on either a planet or an asteroid this would change of course. But it is simply highly unlikely on the short term.

 

 

How arrogant is it to think that humanity is intelligent? How arrogant is it to think that this is the only marble in the whole universe with life on it?

This solar system is only one of billions in this galaxy. There are hundreds of thousands of other galaxies. What are the odds that this is the only galaxy, with one single solar system, with one single marble with life on it? It's like believing the world is flat.

 

And what are the odds that no other life can be far more intelligent? What are the odds that there is no reason for any of it? Now that's fucking arrogant!

 

It's like that ant believing that humanity doesn't exist.

 

 

Although the universe is so big and there are so many solar systems with planets out there that it is unlikely there is no other life out there somewhere, it is also very likely (because of this vastness) that we will not run into them ever.


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Posted September 23 2015 - 03:17 AM

Very interesting....

 

We simply cannot be all there is and the best there is. If we are "it", that's pretty pathetic, lol.

 

The reason our planet is in the shape it is is because we felt like it was our for the taking...we have used it up and not been kind or thankful.


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#15 Asmo

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Posted September 23 2015 - 03:21 AM

That's why harvesting raw materials in space is such a great option. If we can do that while progressing to less polluting ways of producing energy/fuel etc. we are far from pathetic. For a bunch of evolved apes we are already doing a pretty impressive job imo. The earth is not uninhabitable yet :P


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Posted September 23 2015 - 04:25 AM

The error lies in thinking that we and the Universe are separate things.

 

It is a well-provisioned ship, this on which we sail through space. If the bread and beef above decks seem to grow scarce, we but open a hatch and there is a new supply, of which before we never dreamed. And very great command over the services of others comes to those who as the hatches are opened are permitted to say, "This is mine!" - Henry George, Progress and Poverty 1879

 

We are already traveling through the depths of space on our "Spaceship Earth", out beyond the furthest galaxy, lost in an infinite celestial sea; after all, everything is relative to the position of the observer.

 

And as we find ourselves wandering about the cosmos visiting places to which we will never return, what of it if we find we must restock our Earthly stores from the infinite bounty of the Universe? For unlike the confines of our "Spaceship Earth" the Universe is indeed infinite. And if we should pluck a fruit from this tree or that, there will always be more for the taking!

 

So, I say open the hatch at will and reap the bounty of the stars, after all, we are that very star dust itself! How can we steal from ourselves?

 

“You and I are all as much continuous with the physical universe as a wave is continuous with the ocean.” ― Alan W. Watts

 


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Posted September 23 2015 - 04:27 AM

I'm 99% dark matter.


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Posted September 23 2015 - 04:46 AM

Quasar, quasar burning bright

In the depths of the cosmic night

What supernatural alchemy

Fuels thy luminosity

 

 

 

 

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Never! This is outrageous. I'm through with it. I'll have no more of this hell-spawn!

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Posted September 24 2015 - 03:59 AM

Very interesting....

We simply cannot be all there is and the best there is. If we are "it", that's pretty pathetic, lol.

The reason our planet is in the shape it is is because we felt like it was our for the taking...we have used it up and not been kind or thankful.


One thing we often tend to forget when we look out to exploring the cosmos is that we live on a planet where we're not all that is when it comes to life. I think this is a very important thing to keep in mind and relevant to the thread, in fact I would not be surprised if commercial space exploration becomes common place, some other animals will be coming along with us.

I cannot really see what perspective you are coming from where it's 'pathetic' if we are "the best there is." I think it's fascinating to consider the notion that our flavor of consciousness would be such a rare anomaly in the universe. It seems you would have to believe that the Universe is conscious in some way to reach the conclusion that complexity of life has to be graded or held to some measure, but I doubt many who believe in a God would really suggest it's 'pathetic' either, so it's a peculiar statement that perhaps some further elaboration may help clarify what you mean.

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Posted October 03 2015 - 10:47 AM

Our stories are for us alone , and this is how we are alone in the universe . How are

we universal in mind unto One ? Must the answer be lonesomely another story ?

 

I once read an unpublished Ursula Leguin story about alien contact . It wasn't that

informative . She gave the other-worlders a human story to illustrate - something

like , oh , Jesus and the Airplane Gods .

 

Sometimes (rarely) I'll take the Oracle Wheel for a spin and contact 'Alien' . I don't

understand much beyond the answers to Contact made ? and What substance are you ? .

Well , the alien is an understanding/misunderstanding . Not enough context . Still , I

think Universal Mind is an ok assumption . Otherwise  , really , Stay Home !


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