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#11 sw0o0sh

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Posted February 09 2010 - 07:41 AM

I suppose in essence it's just a psychology-related label that characterizes a certain set of traits in an individual -- apparently the inability to focus, combined with hyper-ness. It seems odd, but yeah, I'm sure some where there is somebody who has the symptoms to the point where it could be very impairing. I was diagnosed with ADHD myself, and I don't really believe I really express the symptoms to the point of impairment.

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Posted February 09 2010 - 07:53 AM

from what i know of the human mind (which isn't much), there are a lot of 'disorders' borne from our psychological need to live a less 'modern' lifestyle. things like prepackaged foods, television, organized religion, modern education, etc. have rendered us unable to cope, and so we create 'disorders' and fixations and irrational behavior for ourselves.

i think that the 'ADHD' symptoms are from the way we as a society handle our children, the way we send them off in hordes to the halls of education where they learn to conform or be punished, memorize formulas and rules that have little to no relation to how the real world operates, are brainwashed, taught to be patriotic, etc.

im talking out of my ass of course, i have nothing to back this up, just my personal thoughts and experience. that said, i was also misdiagnosed ADHD because i was acting up in school. after my parents refused to drug me up multiple times, they put me in the advanced classes and i was fine after that. some kids need a challenge, or more physical activity. that was the case for my friend. his parents put him in boy scouts and sports when he was diagnosed, and his 'symptoms' nearly went away

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#13 ChronicTom

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Posted February 09 2010 - 08:01 AM

Well, doctors (especially psychiatric ones) definitely do not know as much as they want us to think they do. The majority of their work is all trial and error, of the worst kind as far as I'm concerned.

You also have to keep in mind, there wasn't a magical list of disorders that someone just had to find... The 'list' was made up by making observations of people who had issues and clumping those issues together into groups or disorders or diseases, in order to find a common way to talk about them and see if they could find solutions.

In many cases, they have all been lured to look at things from the perspective of the companies that back them and they are doing things they shouldn't in order to wash the others back.

In some cases, they are like the rest of the human race... lazy, incompetent and poorly educated, yet full of arrogance. The do indeed make mistakes and misdiagnose people which does lead to serious consequences, like people dying.

But that doesn't change the fact that the group of behaviors that they have classed as being ADHD exists and does indeed cause serious issues for some people.

To say otherwise would be like someone who was misdiagnosed with cancer running around saying... "Cancer doesn't exist... I know cause they told me I had it and I don't, so there :P"

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Posted February 09 2010 - 08:07 AM

If your kid can stare blankly at the tv for hours while playing Nintendo they don't have ADHD.


Those things do not require fixed attention.

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Posted February 09 2010 - 08:07 AM

Well, doctors (especially psychiatric ones) definitely do not know as much as they want us to think they do. The majority of their work is all trial and error, of the worst kind as far as I'm concerned.

You also have to keep in mind, there wasn't a magical list of disorders that someone just had to find... The 'list' was made up by making observations of people who had issues and clumping those issues together into groups or disorders or diseases, in order to find a common way to talk about them and see if they could find solutions.

In many cases, they have all been lured to look at things from the perspective of the companies that back them and they are doing things they shouldn't in order to wash the others back.

In some cases, they are like the rest of the human race... lazy, incompetent and poorly educated, yet full of arrogance. The do indeed make mistakes and misdiagnose people which does lead to serious consequences, like people dying.

But that doesn't change the fact that the group of behaviors that they have classed as being ADHD exists and does indeed cause serious issues for some people.

To say otherwise would be like someone who was misdiagnosed with cancer running around saying... "Cancer doesn't exist... I know cause they told me I had it and I don't, so there :P"


everything you said is true and this is why after three years of studying psychology i had to change majors. it's the 'diagnosis' part that gets me

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Posted February 09 2010 - 08:27 AM

If you have an issue with drugs, fix them... be a fucking adult and do something about it, don't whine about it like a little child....


let's both be adults...

maybe you should have asked if i've done anything to deal with these issues before assuming bad things and being rude to me.

believe me, life for me hasnt been very pretty in the last 5 years but i have managed to find stability.
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#17 ChronicTom

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Posted February 09 2010 - 08:43 AM

let's both be adults...

maybe you should have asked if i've done anything to deal with these issues before assuming bad things and being rude to me.

believe me, life for me hasnt been very pretty in the last 5 years but i have managed to find stability.


now im 18 and im still having my issues with drugs



What assumption is it that you think I have made?

I read where you said you are having issues with drugs, and where you blamed those issues on the fact that you were given drugs as a kid.

Yeah, it sucks that happened to you... lots of people have lots of things that happen in their childhood that suck... that is what becoming an adult is all about though... getting to the point where you look around you and say, okay, now... "what happens in my life, is up to me, and me alone"

Now, if you feel it is rude of me to point this out in such a manner, I'm thinking you will just have to find a way to dig deep inside and deal with it.

Btw... the whole tone of this thread was set when you announced to everyone who does legitimately have a problem like ADHD, that regardless of their own personal experiences and lives, that you know it is all fake and imaginary.

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Posted February 09 2010 - 10:22 AM

A few decades ago people with mental illnesses were simply called "crazy" or "mad." Now they are all pigeonholed....anxiety disorder, OCD, bipolar, rage disorder... The list goes on and on. I'm not saying these disorders don't exist, and i'm not saying they don't wreak havoc on the lives of people who suffer from them. But the fact is society feels like they must label every little quirk. Any deviation from normal now is not allowed; it must be fixed immediately with medication. If my grandmother were born in this generation, she would have been diagnosed with anxiety disorder and given xanax. Instead, because she was born in 1917 or something like that, she merely put her hand over her heart and said in her sweet little southern accent, "oh my nerves, my nerves." Then she would go read the Bible and deal with it.

Some disorders are really severe. Certain drugs have worked miracles for people suffering from bipolar disorder. (might I add that these same drugs made my friend even crazier, and she went off them and learned how to deal with it in a mind over mind fashion.) But some of our most creative minds have been bipolar. Egdar Allen Poe, Sylvia Plath, Mark Twain, Beethoveen, just for example. If these people had been given lithium, maybe it would have given them a certain peace of mind, numbed their intense emotinos, and maybe life would have been easier for them. but can an artist produce true art without feeling anything intensely? Some of greatest minds ever produced by this earth were probably labeled bat shit crazy in their time. Now they would be labeled something more politically correct and given medication for it, and the world would be robbed of great poets, writers, composers, etc.

My question is: what is wrong with being "crazy" or having a "disorder?" Look at the word itself: disorder- without order. What is wrong with not being ordered, with not falling into some imaginary line that was drawn by society? In the case of having ADHD, what is wrong with being hyper? With having imagination, with not being able to focus on something that bores you? I have a young cousin and shes a brilliant child: precocious, hyper, a little sassy. She was put on adderall and completely lost her personality. Shes so calm now, which might make her mom's life easier but I think it robs the world of a great spirit. I think the fact that we need to dope our kids up to make them pay attention in school says more about our school system than the kids' state of mind.

I'm not judging anyone that puts their children on medication for adhd-adderal, ritalin, whatever. Parents always do what they think is best for their children. But I will say this: I work in the pharmaceutical industry. I see first-hand how corrupt it is. I see how doctors invent a new "disorder" every single day, how they get giant bonuses for diagnosing these disorders because it allows them to prescribe new medications that puts billions of dollars into the pockets of pharmaceutical giants each year.

Children are on adderal because there is money to be made from it. Sure, they can't pay attention in school, sure they get distracted easily, but couldnt exercise, a proper diet, and discipline (in the form of making your child spend a certain amount of time each day trying to focus on schoolwork, not in beating the shit out of your kid) remedy this problem just as well, if not better than, putting your kid on amphetamines? Exercise and proper nutrition balance brain chemistry better than anything man-made, and I say this as someone who suffered from depression. I considered going to get treatment, but decided to try something natural, and it worked for me. A three mile daily run and all your daily vitamin needs really does work wonders.

The thing is, I'm 25 years old, I like to partake in the occassional recreational drug. I take adderal to get all geeked up. I take it because it makes me feel fantastic, it gives me a great body high, it lowers my conversational inhibitions much like alcohol so that I can chat with complete strangers in uncomfortable situations and be perfectly happy. Its a social drug for me. I like to take it and speed all night and write poetry or music. I drink alcohol, smoke pot for much the same reason. Would I ever dream of giving an 8 year old kid a couple of shots of liquor and a joint every day? And when I get all sped up on adderall, its not like i'm taking a dose any higher than what the average 8 year old kid takes. One 15 mg every four hours. If I were 8, that would be one in the morning and one after lunch, which I believe is the usual dosage for an elementary school kid.

I'm not saying its better for me to take speed illegally than it is for a kid to take it with a prescription. I shouldn't be doing it. I probably shouldn't drink so much or smoke so much pot either, but i'm an adult and i'm fully aware what these drugs do to my body. Adderall speeds me up. Adderal is speed. Parents feed their 8 year old kids speed, and I dont think they ever think of what it does to their child's body or their mind. If the same dosage an 8 year old takes gets a 115 lb fully grown adult all sped up and feeling groovy, what do you think it does to someone half my weight? just a thought.

I didn't mean to go off on a rant about this, but like I said at my job I see first hand how the pharmaceutical industry works. I think a lot of people would be really shocked to see how many drugs are overprescribed each year. I work with patients that are on 30 different medications. I work with children that take adderall 3-4 times a day. I am sure ADHD is a true disorder. Its a label yes, and a label designed to make parents spend money on treatment, but the symptoms exist nevertheless. However, I think parents should think really hard about natural treatments before putting their kids on speed, because thats exactly what amphetamine salts (generic for adderall) are: legal speed.

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Posted February 09 2010 - 10:29 AM

Excellently said

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Posted February 09 2010 - 10:40 AM

My question is: what is wrong with being "crazy" or having a "disorder?" Look at the word itself: disorder- without order. What is wrong with not being ordered, with not falling into some imaginary line that was drawn by society?


There's probably nothing wrong with it, as long as you don't need to have a job.

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