Would the US government use Swine Flu vaccine as a method of population control?

Would they I want to know? I sure think so.

Don't Inject Me (Swine Flu Vaccine Song)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiXmw5a9kiM

 

Nagh...

 

Very convincing argument...

 

I've written my thoughts elswhere...I just thought this thread was jokey.

To be fair: "I sure think so. " isn't the most powerful of arguments, either

 

Got a point there, although I thought your response was kind of jokey too.


It isn't like population control has never been attempted by any other government before so why do people think that it will never happen on US soil? And so many bad things have been proven about other vaccines. And the vaccine companies are protected by LAW, so if anything bad happens they cannot be held criminally liable. So serious responses from now on. I can debate with the best of you. All responses positive and negative are welcomed. Just no personal insults please.

 

It was succinct.
To be fair, I was also a little tired too.
Plus there was not much to respond to.

Ok, fair enough. I'll post something later. Can't think straight right now.

 

I believe they would. the whole swine flu thing is being way overhyped by the media like its some huge epedemic sweeping the nation, but in all actuality the numbers are pretty small. It seems like propaganda to me.

 

I wish all the people that are viewing this would at least vote!!!

 

Generally speaking, Americans seem to be over-zealous in their assertions their country is heading for a dystopian future, under some form of quasi-fascist regime.

The countries that have tried/done it were generally not working from a democratic foundation, so it was/is far easier to control their people...because they had/have few freedoms in the first place.

America, on the other hand, is an open democratic country, where you can come and go as you please.

For this to be dismantled, America, would have to withdraw from - pretty much - the whole world...and retreat into an isolationist nationalistic dictatorship.
I don't see that occuring, do you?

You might say "control" doesn't have to be so extreme - but subtle.
It can creep upon us in a short period of time.
Perhaps, but the current swine flu vaccination debacle that is occurring all over the world, is just that, occurring all over the world.
So, unless you think the globalist elites are attempting to control the whole world, this isn't the best example of population control in America...imo.

 

its an illusion that we are a true democratic country. Really we are far from being truly democratic, lies and propaganda are spread to make people think certain ways about certain issues and once that takes a hold of enough people then the group who spread the lies and propaganda will be able to carry out what they had in mind before the propaganda was spread.

 

I'd repeat: "Generally speaking, Americans seem to be over-zealous in their assertions their country is heading for a dystopian future, under some form of quasi-fascist regime."
But to be fair and not speak in generalities, what are some of the " lies and propaganda" ?
What do you think they have in mind ?

 

There are so many but lets start with a big series of events that starts after the 9/11 attacks. We all know what happened that day, it was said that Osama Bin Laden orchestrated the attacks so at first there was the huge search for Osama which turned up nothing, still hasnt. Then while this is going on you cant read see or hear anything in the media without the word TERRORIST. Hes a TERRORIST, shes a TERRORISTS, suspected TERRORISTS. While this is being droned and repeated over and over into peoples heads Bush declares Martial Law and passes The Patriot Act which strips away many personal freedoms that we once had. The repeated media blitz made people scared and suspect any one that was not american to be a terrorist and made people think it was neccessary to compromise their freedoms in the name of safety and security. So we were fighting the taliban terrorists or whatever in Afghanistan and suddenly we say we are invading Iraq wtf? The reason being that they know that they are holding weapons of mass destruction; another phrase that is beat into our heads about a million times a day. And the people of America support this because they are scared to death of the "terrorists" and dont even realize that Iraq had nothing to do whatsoever with the attacks on 9/11. They dont even stop to think for a minute because at that time the American people were very racist and thought everybody in the middle east was to blame. And of course no nukes were found and we arrested Sadaam and had him executed. I'm not sure what Bush had in mind, oil? world domination? wanted to finish the job his father started? I dont know but I can sure see a string of events that match with some kind of agenda. I hope Obama will be a step in a better direction and I think he will do a good job but I cant say for sure only time will tell.

 

With you so far.

Hold you horses, tough...

To me, this sounds like the usual "liberal narrative" much loved by, well, liberals.
This isn't to say the "other side" hasn't their own narrative...
You sound like - or I am hoping - you know what you are talking about, so perhaps rather than the typical "liberal narrative," you could be a little more specific...such as:

When was martial law enacted?
What "personal freedoms" have you had stripped away?

To a certain degree, I believe most American see the world in black and white...so it wouldn't surprise me that there was very little taking the middle way in these issues.

You were either thinking every coloured person with a funny turban was a terrorist.
Or you believed the media were attempting to portray every coloured person with a funny turban was a terrorist.
I believe, more likely, the people that were put up in the media as a "terrorist" were not Jo Bloggs doing there shopping, then suddenly carted away for water-boarding.
There was some legitimacy to medias story, if too often repeated and sensationalised.

As far as The Patriot Act is concerned...with the luxury of hindsight you may see a direct path from a to b to then c..
The Patriot Act was established in October, 2001...
I wonder if you read it at the time or have done since...have you?
I know I have not...not entirely, anyway.
I've certainly heard the arguments on both sides, but the majority of the time both sides are guilty of fear-mongering and distortion.

It certainly wasn't suddenly.
It was a protracted dispute with Saddam, The UN and The IAEA for atleast 10 years...cultimatingin the Iraq war.

Perhaps so.
Here it was used by the media endlessly, but, strangely enough not hat often by government.

Who said they did?

Obviously a foreign policy has an agenda...so perhaps in this case there was an Agenda.
Not quite sure how this relates to swine flu, though...and how that feeds into any agenda of controlling the public.

 

haha... yeah got a little off topic, not too much. But shouldnt a good conversation spread into other avenues of thought?. .... you asked me to explain some of the lies and propaganda I was talking about so I gave you some of what I think are examples of that. As for controlling the public it is more along the lines of controlling public opinion, which eludes to my mention of the illusion of true democracy. I will reply to your questions later when I have more time to do so

 

I guess so, just didn't want it drifting too far off the point.

I see, well most governments would like that control, I guess.
They perhaps see it as clarifying their POV and attempting to stamp out lies perpetuated by the media and other outside interests...
To a point, they have to...even they should have the right to reply.

Thanks.

 

Yeah right Democracy. They trick us into thinking we have democracy by letting us choose wich puppet gets elected. Thats about it.

Population control is already being implemented in other things. Food for instance. There are so many additives that are proven to be dangerous and yet are still allowed to be slipped into our food supply. Oh and our water supply. Pharmaceuticals have already been found in our water supply. And and that book Holdren wrote back in the 1970's (Eco Science) talking about putting a sterilant in public water.

 

Have you any specific e.gs?

I thought that was in minute doses, and not really about control...but humans taking medication and that finding its way to the water supply through - well you know

 

I consider myself an independant but would definetly lean more towards liberal than conservative.
And I think martial law was enacted very soon after 9/11 and understandably so but thats how the patriot act came to pass because it didnt have to go through congress, which I dont believe it would have passed.
The patriot act basically allows law enforcement to search you, your private residence, anything without a warrant, just on a suspicion. And this applies to everybody not just suspected terrorists.

True there are some crazy fuckers out there that want to blow us up, but what you dont hear about in the mainstream media are all the innocent people that have been victimized, tortured, and locked up for being too muslim. I have read many stories about cases like this and many where agents actually manipulated people into planning acts of terrorism that would not have normally done that sort of thing.

I have read it before but not entirely either.

I know about all our past problems with Saddam but I believe 9/11 was used as an excuse to go into a war that would normally not be supported. And also under false pretenses.

Actually it was; all the stuff about the "yellow cake" and uranium was talked about in many public press conferences and made more public by the media constantly reporting on what was said.

Do you remember the term "Axis of Evil" that was used constantly by Bush, Cheney, and the media? The term meant Iraq, Afghanistan, and Iran and the way they talked about it made them seem like they were all interconnected with the same goal of "evil", like they all had something to do with 9/11. Being in America I know thats the way just about everybody felt at the time and alot still do.

Im sure people in power love that kind of control because they can pursue their agenda with much less opposition. But thats not the ideas that America was built upon. The constitution is not followed really anymore it has been amended so much. The true constitution is what made this country great.

 

Let us not forget that 27 states did have population control legislation in place in the first half of the 20th century, some keeping it as late as the 1970s. This legislation allowed for compulsory sterilization of undesirables and 'feeble-minded' people, which was basically anyone society deemed odd or degenerate. There were actually more than 60,000 forced sterilizations performed, most with little or no due process. So when you debate whether it can happen in America: it already has.

 

You think?
Bit vague, imo.

So, perhaps you are susceptible of it being manipulated to make an argument, such as you make, that perhaps isn't quite true?

It was "sneak and peak"...
That was around before the Patriot act.
But, it stepped up a gear with The Patriot Act.
You still need a warrant, though.

Got any e.gs?

It certainly created an atmosphere of urgency.
We shall never really know if 9/11 didn't occur, Iraq would have been invaded so relatively shortly afterwards.

It is kinda sad that: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa"
Took a life of it's own...

The "axis of Evil":

1. Iraq
2. Iran
3. North Korea

I don't think it fair to say the Bush admin' were trying to connect all these to 9/11.