Will Trump Supporters Listen To The Warnings?

I remember the trending celebrations under the #blacklivesmatter hashtag after the Dallas sniper took place. Among several other celebrations of organized cop killings. Unfortunately, Breitbart and Infowars were the some of the only few sources that had the gall to report on the Twitter reaction. But feel free to attack the messenger if you must. If Twitter existed in the late 19th century, I'm sure the Klan would've been making celebratory tweets after other members of their group terrorized a colored person.

Do you believe that the police have an open hunting season on blacks?
Lets look at the 5 facts that black lives matter doesn't want us to know about: http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler#

The girlfriend of Philando Castille had this to say to reporters after he got shot by the police,

And like O'Malley, she went underfire for racist statements. Black lives matter is a divisive and violent racist organization.

 

So you give us more "objective" coverage from right wing media outlets, this time from The Daily Wire, founded by former Breitbart editor-at-large and professional propagandist Ben Shaoiro, who is now the Wire's editor in chief. I'm not defending Black Lives Matter, and I'd consider it racist almost by definition. But whether or not a sniper had a hashtag that you remember doesn't mean that he was sponsored by Black Lives Matter. Stick to the facts, and don't use suppositiions about Black Lives Matter to tarnish "the Left" in general. It's spin and propaganda, not logical argument. Can we then attribute these incidents to "the Right"?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/27/racist-sword-killer-says-hed-mulled-racial-attack-for-years.html
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170527/news/305279898

 

And again you attack the messenger without giving it a fair examination.

Can we attribute the Portland stabber to the right? No we cannot. His tweet history says he's a Sanders/Stein 2016 supporter.
https://medium.com/@JasonTLouis/portland-attacker-jeremy-christian-was-a-bernie-supporter-e8a7938405c7

Your Associated Press source said that the racist sword stabber came from a liberal churchgoing family in a Baltimore suburb.
Are you insinuating that white racists can only be a figment of the right?

 

So let me get this straight. Christian posed as a white racist and stabbed three people as a psyop against Trump supporters. But surely that can't be, because when I suggested some of the masked "Antifa" members might be doing the same against the Left, you said that couldn't happen. As for the sword stabber, what his parents were is irrelevant. Yes, I'm suggesting white racists are usually figures (not figments) of the right, because that seems to be the pattern.

 

There's this magic moment about 13 milliseconds before someone stabs or shoots someone that they instantly become a right wing extremist no matter what they were before. Consider how often Tim McVeigh is held up as the prime example of right wing horror, even today. He was invoked after the Boston Marathon bombings, San Bernardino and even the Beltway Snipers. And yet, only a little extra reading exposes how McVeigh was nowhere near the right (unless they were atheists who believed in science alone back then).

 

Where did I ever say that?

How about we just call it for what it is: an act of violence fueled by psychosis. That's what it seems to me like. It would take a special kind of person to sacrifice their lives they've built themselves, and end someone else's to make a psy-op against Trump supporters. It was sloppy reporting based on half-assed assumptions because it was a white-male-on-muslim murder. If you're gonna make white male conservatives look like terrorists, at least get your story straight first.

Ahhh that makes sense now. Thanks for clearing it all up for me, Dick.

 

Now that Trump is back in the USA he posts on Twitter:

"It is my opinion that many of the leaks coming out of the White House are fabricated lies made up by the #FakeNews media," Trump tweeted in an early morning salvo that accused reporters of falsifying the controversy over claims that his campaign aides colluded with Russians' election hacking effort.

So there you have it. Why would Trump supporters listen to the warnings when "they're all lies coming from a fake news media"? When someone attacks him he attacks their credibility and his followers eat it up. Apparently this clusterfuck must continue for awhile before they wake up and smell the bullshit. I hope he's out of office soon, but I realize if that happens many will be furious that we didn't give him a chance.

 

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/05/27/portland-train-murder-suspect-white-nationalist/
http://www.kgw.com/news/crime/max-stabbing-suspect-is-a-self-proclaimed-white-nationalist/443585889
http://www.inquisitr.com/4252042/jeremy-christian-portland-murder-suspect-revealed-as-white-nationalist/
How could I have ever been so wrong? That and his anti-Muslim rant on the train. I should have known he was a Bernie supporter. Is it possible for a Bernie supporter to be a right wing extremist? I think so. I have a good friend who is racist through and through, hates blacks, and calls them every name in the racist lexicon. But he voted for Obama when the alternative was Romney. Even had an Obama sign in his yard. In the case of Mr. Christian, he hated both Hillary and the Donald and wanted to rip them"limb from limb".He also thought Bernie might legalize pot in the schools.

So yes, I think he was just nuts. That was my point. Would you make the same concession for some of the alleged Antifa loonies, like the one whose father wrote Friday13th.? It was you, wasn't it, that was claiming a clear link between the Dallas sniper and Black Lives Matter and "the left"?

 

Nice photo. The fact he's wearing a Zodiac Killer shirt, and has a long public history on social media advocating death threats to Hillary and Trump voters. Are pretty distinct signs the guy is totally unhinged.

Is it possible to be a liberal socialist and a racist? I think so. Just as much as you can be any a part of any ideology and harbor racism.

I can't speak for Mr. Christian, or even your racist friend. But are you actually comparing the actions and voting history of a few individuals to that of the large collective crowds of Antifa and BAMN rioters and assailants? Is the whole countless number of just nuts? Seems to me with that many of them, they're politically motivated together for a common goal.

Even the son of Tim Kaine, a newly unmasked Antifa member:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqHcXRy4mZY

 

Trump supporting morons cannot see ANYTHING BAD ABOUT WHAT HE IS DOING....... They are all brainwashed..........

 

Nice try at trying to accuse me of doing what you do. But you commit the fallacy of persistently linking an individual, namely Tim Kane, to Antifa and then to "the Left" in general. This, as I've explained so often, is a logical fallacy, a textbook example of faulty generalization. And when I try to illustrate it with an example of what would be a counterpart fallacy on the right, you accuse me of being the perpetrator of said fallacy. This sleight of hand makes me think you're not really unaware of the fallacy, but are deliberately using it and adding the fallacy of shifting goal posts for propaganda purposes. Hopeless!

Behind each Klan hood and Anarchist black mask, there's a messed up individual. When the group engages in violence, especially to stop speech, it should be condemned and stopped. But to go further and try to tarnish peaceful protestors with the same brush is propaganda. My sisters went to Seattle in 1999 to protest the WTO. They were peaceful, as were most of the others there, but a band of masked thugs moved in and started smashing stuff and the police overreaction led to a riot--mainly by the police. To hold that against "the Left" would be pretty shabby.

 

The difference is you site a few isolated examples where an individual carries out a heinous act. Not an organized movement behind a particular motive.

You site examples of a white-on-colored crimes, with questionable evidence that it was a hate crime fueled by motives of conservative and libertarian ideologies. Whereas large numbered, organized, violent, and destructive riots and crimes seem to come from the left much more often. The Dallas Sniper was not the only terrorist harbored by Black Lives Matter and you know it. Antifa isn't an individual, it's a collective. I bring up Woody Kaine because he doesn't strike me as the type of man who'd take money from Ann Coulter or Milo to get their own speeches shut down. Personally, I find the fact that a vice presidential candidate raised his children to become domestic terrorists quite troubling. On MSNBC's Morning Joe, Tim Kaine said "Fight in Congress, fight in courts, fight in the streets, fight online, and fight at the ballot box. (referring to opposing Trump)." We just didn't think he meant fighting in the streets literally. We were wrong.

 

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OK same MO

[SIZE=11pt]ALL Muslims want to throw homosexuals from buildings [/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]You might as well say ALL Christians want to torture and kill witches because the Bible says Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live and so called Christians in places around the world do kill those accused of witchcraft.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]What more proof does anyone need to hate ALL Christians[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Problem is that its bull shit, oh there are Christians that torture and kill those accused of being witches but does that mean all Christians are like that?[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=11pt]Again same MO [/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]ALL lefties must hate ALL Christians (although they supposedly love ALL Muslims even the terrorists)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]I know many Christians my sister is a churchy Christian, why should I hate them? Yes I’m an atheist, does that mean I have to hate them? Yes I’m a leftie does that mean I have to hate them? [/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]I might not agree with many of their beliefs does that mean I must hate them?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]This kind of thinking is bull shit and what’s more I think you know its bull shit you do it because it’s about you wishing to spread division, spread the suspicion of others and spread the distrust in the hope of spreading the hate.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]It’s what terrorist do with bombs.[/SIZE]

 

Thing is that reality isn’t black and white but those that like to spread hatred would want it seem so because it is much easier when it’s simply a matter of THEM and US the RIGHT and the WRONG.

So Black Lives Matters supporters are TERRORIST SUPPORTERS they can’t be seen as haven’t got legitimate concerns about the treatment of black people in American society. But looking into it and examining those concerns is a lot more difficult and complex than just pronouncing them WRONG and BAD, and if anyone gives BLM any support what-so-ever they are not one of US and therefore must be part of the evil THEM.

To ignore the complexity of the world isn’t a rational or reasonable stance but it is one that that I’m afraid has been very successful in causing a lot of mischief the past.

 

If you're ever in Oklahoma, check out the Murrah Building--or what's left of it!

 

Much of Trump's crowd are fundamentalists. Even if they only go to church at Christmas, that is their thinking style. A multi-million dollar propaganda industry helps steer their thinking. FOX. Rush Limbaugh. Etc. The propaganda industry teaches them to laugh at us with derision.

Also, they tend to be rural and poorly educated. Some stereotypes are true. Of course, some know better, but as long as the Republican Party caters to the rich, they go along with it. Many people raised by families that own wealth and businesses are as likely to leave the GOP as they would be to switch religious denominations.

What's the name of that book? Hillbilly Elegy? The writer grew up among such folks, as I kinda did. The writer says the only thing that ever changes their political behavior is an economic depression.

Still, I engage them in debate. No point not standing up to their nonsense. I recommend registering at their favored websites and pointing out their erroneous beliefs. They can't punch you over the internet, and you can't hear their derisive laughter.

 

Can you recommend a few websites?

 

LOL Balbus

Again with your all-or-nothing argument? How cute.



Yes, there are plenty of outliers in the statistic. My muslim ex-roommate, was one of the outliers.
Since you asked, do all Christians torture and kill witches? The real question is, does the only Christian nation on earth, the Vatican City, torture and execute witches?

How does the Vatican's laws on homosexuality and witches compare to the homosexuality in Islamic nations of the world?

I'm not religious either. I wouldn't say I'm a full blown atheist though. But you can't deny that the collective left is far more likely to be critical of Christianity than any other Abrahamic religions including Islam. I think it's mostly because the republican party has taken Christians under their wing for the most part.

I didn't say Churchy Christians, I said Churchy Republicans. I was careful with my wording because I know not all Christians are republican. When it comes to constitutional rights for women, homosexuals, non-believers, etc. You have a lot more in common with churchy republicans than you do with Islamists (so I hope). Through the refugee program, the imperialistic EU is importing an ideology and a culture that sees women walking unaccompanied by a man as a worthless street whore, and homosexuals as a lower form of life. A culture that doesn't mesh well with liberal European values.

But that's OK, because to you the clit cutters have more in common with women's rights than pro-lifers.

 

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Not sure why you are laughing I mean I’m sure I’m not the only one that’s notice you don’t seem to have any real points or even anything of any substance to say. Or maybe that’s the joke you are laughing at?

I don’t think you understand what I’m saying, I’m just explaining you are trying to bamboozle people with bullshit tricks.

LOL my whole point was that just because some people that call themselves Christians have tortured and killed those they believe are witches that DOES NOT mean ALL Christians are like that.

And I brought that up because you DO try to insinuate that because some Muslims [SIZE=11pt]throw homosexuals from buildings that means ALL Muslims are like that. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]AND then go on to insinuate that anyone that doesn’t condemn ALL Muslims MUST support the throwing of homosexuals from tall buildings.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Its bullshit and I think you know it is bullshit. [/SIZE]

 

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Sorry but I can’t tell if you are really that badly informed or are just faking ignorance?

It makes it hard to put together a reply.

OK you must realise that there are many different types and forms of religious belief, for example there are and have been many different variations of Christianity and Islam. And then within them there are usually factions, progressives, moderates, hard liners and so on.

And then there are those that us religion as a smokescreen to justify the bigotry and hatred they already had or to have power over others.

But as I’ve said that’s complicated and the story you wish to sell is simplistic – them and us.

Thing is that many on the left wing of politics have been critical of abusive hardline Islam for years, I’ve warned about Wahhabism in these very forums a number of times.

The problem has been that many on the right politically have supported and even help promote such hardline beliefs. For example US foreign policy after WWII hated lefties and so helped Islamic fundamentalists, because guess what they hated lefties as well.

There were warnings but....

I can suggest some reading if you truly are ignorant of these things.

But I guess you are only pretending not to know because it suites your them and us theme.