Why is God the "most reasonable answer to existence"

as my friends so simply put it. we were discussing the origin of the universe, and in the end the way they (christians) see it is that since humans dont know anything with absolute certainty, and we dont know what happend at the beginning of the universe, the most reasonable explanation is that there is some higher power behind it all. I ask why? Why is it that humans think a God is reasonable? I mean, if God is the most reasonable answer until further evidence is aquired, anything could be. Whats more reasonable about a God controlling the universe than any other thing imaginable (or unimaginable for that matter) The universe could be a blob of somthing in a greater 'space' or it could be a screw on a bicycle of some greater being in a greater universe. God is not the most reasonable answer to reality by any stretch of the imagination, imo. Rather, its the most simple, easy to understand and comforting explanation that humans could come up with.

 

I think we as humans have an almost genetic predisposition towards spirituality (I use that term to refer to ANY sort of belief in the supernatural). Maybe it's a trait that's allowed humans to survive this long...Assume humans accidentally took some sort of crazy mushroom and felt they could communicate with the gods...They would introduce this discovery to others, creating a community more able to share resources...So, to shorten this little story up, humans till this day have found community and SAFETY within the belief that there's some sort of benevolent creator watching over us....The idea that god or any other supernatural being does not exist is based in part (a rather large part) on what we now know/believe to be scientific fact....And science as we know it is relatively young. So there is still a large group of people that will argue till this day that god/gods exist and is the only true explaination of where we come from. It's SAFE for them. It makes them feel as if they belong to something larger than themselves. And quite frankly i believe it saves them the trouble of feeling accountable....(ohhhh i know im gonna catch some shit for THIS post hahah)

 

Why would that make you feel safe? Look at the world around you (that is controlled by God). War, disease, famine, pain, poverty, confusion, ignorance? Does this make you feel safe to be around God, a God that can turn on you at any second and rip you to shreads?

 

apparently it doesnt make you feel safe, but it does for millions of others. Your beliefs are unlike any other believer ive encountered, though.

 

No, it makes me angry. God pisses me off on purpose, just to bug me, because God knows that God will make me laugh about it later. I just want to throttle God, but I can't... !!!!! !!!!!!!!!

That's because I know God.

Some people read the bible, the Bhagavad Gita, the Koran, or whatever mystical literature they are attracted to. They understand the bible backwards and forwards, they understand the koran, can recite it perfectly, but they have no clue how the words connect to reality.

 

I don't know if God is the most reasonable answer to existence. At least not in the sense that the idea of God has been arrived at through rational means. In all the world's religions, for example, the claim is that God has made Himself known through revelation - to a prophet, seer or whatever. Reasoning plays only a subordinate role in this process.

And mystics of various traditions have stated more or less that it is only when someone rises above reason and the linear, rationlistic functioning of the mind that God can be known.
The idea that God is just some intellectual concept to satisfy our curiosity is mistaken. An intellectual concept or idea of God is not enough.

 

Haha...maybe people misunderstood me...I dont quite believe in "god"....I was just commenting that the belief in deities is something that comforts the human soul...Through all the bullshit of life...Yes, the war, poverty, famine, etc...Through all that, people look to the sky and almost convince themselves that there's a purpose to it all...It's been proven to affect a certain part of the human brain, releasing low levels of endorphines and other bodily "feel-good" substances...It makes the person FEEL god...And it's such a powerful feeling....And i wholeheartedly feel what was said earlier....I know and have studied the bible for years...But i just cannot see how it connects to our lives....

 

I feel good.

Reasoning (HCl) digests the information that we have been given.

 

I think God is the most reasonable explanation to existence because nothing or none of us, or anybody before us has been able to make a point.

Out of all the things you question, and all the questions of mine that you ignore... no matter what is being discussed or debated about God, our existence or our evolution,
NONE of it matters because there are no points that can be proven to base your ideas on or a make an educated decision about.
It's like we are spinning afloat, and eventho some people understand that, obviously very few have tried to stop or change that problem. Without the scientific evidence to prove that we evolved from monkeys or that we were placed here by a 'supernatural' entity... we are just screwed.
Nothing can be determined.
And it doesn't matter how strong you feel or how positive you are in your beliefs, and what you are experiencing, there really is no reason to argue or debate anything concerning our past or future. There is no point to show where life on this earth started, and there is no way to determine when it will stop.
No points exist, so the only thing that should matter to the people who are lost or wondering, is that there is a point to be made.

If you can make one person stop polluting then you can make his business stop, so you could also make everybody doing the same business as him stop polluting.. and maybe that would have to involve closing a loophole in the ACT our goverenment is putting on about the air we breath and the toxins that they are regulating in the air.

When I'm dreaming about la la land it seems realistic that if I can close one big ass
loophole that it's possible to also make a point.

 

God must reveal God's self to you for you to understand how the bible relates to reality. What you have said about your understanding of the bible is a lot like what Feynman says of Brazilian students understanding of their physics textbooks: their minds do not (yet) have the connection between the words in the book and the reality in which they live.

 

If the only reason God seems more reasonable is the fact that nobody's been able to make a completely sound argument agains him, then I'd have to say my faith in the human race would dwindle down to nothing. I'd hope that as a species, we'd strive to have a level of reasoning and creativity that surpasses that cop-out..."The world just HAS to be flat, man, cause....I dont think anyone's been able to prove otherwise...." I wonder how many people have said that centuries ago.....Thankfully, there were a few of us willing to call that cop-out a complete load of dung.

That being said, I DO agree that we should concentrate on the fact that there's just too much goin on to make an intelligent decision as of right now.

 

that still doesnt answer the question. just because we cant disprove a higher power doesnt mean its the most reasonable answer. maybe we cant comprehend what or why our universe is, and maybe it is something totally different from having been originated from a God (if that makes sense).

 

Reason is incapable of covering it. It always narrows things down and limits them. Just by definition, reason can't comprehend the supra-rational. All it can do is formulate partial truths.More or less inadequate descriptions. It can never represent to itself the whole truth of existence.

 

i still think, when you're saying "can't disprove a higher power, doesn't mean it's the most reasonable answer".... i still think you definition of God, your stabilized assumption of what you once knew it to be - or learned it to be/taught yourself, is still very stabilized still. I think in that sentence you wrote, you really hit God dead on. maybe the most reasonable answer is simply God? Then you went on to tell us how "maybe we can't comprehend..." well, i always liked the saying 'inspired by the mystery'.

when you objectify your assumption that God can't be the most reasonable answer, you're just objectifying that current perspective of God.. you must let those learnt assumption go... just like when kharakov said 'some people read bible, some qur'an', etc... he said this pulls them away from interpreting what God IS (reality), with eyes for such interpreting untainted by any black and white interpretations that don't belong to the SOLE (soul) INDIVIDUAL who is interpreting.

look inside yourself, see what has created such assumptions, see what makes you think the way you do today, and then notice all the thought going on in simply your head. are any of these thoughts accurate GLOBALLY/ UNIVERSALLY? i wouldn't be so arrogant to think mine do. what's going ON is God, and it is so outside of your tainted mystified perception if you have stabilized ANY assumption. let them go, destabilize them, and ALWAYS be growing, always towards the Beautiful.

 

god is not at all a "reasonable explanation" its a purely irrational explanation conceived by people thousands of years ago who simply lacked the tools or imagination to conceive of more rational explanations..the world exists, so it must have been "created", so how was it created? ..hmm (these people were largly unducated peasant farmers after all) since we have no understanding of the natural laws affecting matter, biology, astronomy, & many other sciences..what other explanation wuld the uneducated mind come up with but a mystical being who simply said..let it be so? look at religouse histories. before christianity united all things under 1 god..there wre gods for everything they couldnt understand.. why do we fall in love? well there must be a goddess that causes that.. why do we have war? must be a god that causes that too..and thinder and lightening and floods and and and..each unexplained phenomenon having its own god.. along comes science which starts to understand & explain these things..the chemical reactions in the brain that causse us to feel love.. the economic & social reasons why we have wars.. one god after anothr became obsolete..yet we still can't explain everything..sciebce hasnt progressed that far yet..along comes christianity.. uniting all the unknown under 1 god..which you must beleive in without question..science marches on, the fosil records show humans were not the first species "created" yet the bible says we must beleive that to be true.... the formation of the universe..& the solar system in particular is explained with relative certainty, yet the bible explains that all we see & know is false..as long as you shut off rational thought & allow yourself to blindly beleive in something impossible to prove (oh yes..but the bible says..blah blah blah..so..thats your proof? a book written 6 thusand years ago by people who were largly ignorant & had no understanding of the reality of the universe?) god..and the creation myth was simply an obsolete theory.. a misguided one.. but an interesting one..only because it shows how willng humans can sometimes be to reach for simple, yet unbeleivable explanations

 

What about God's reasoning?

What if God decides to teach this reasoning to us?

Do you think that God cannot bring us up to God's level of reasoning ability?

 

No, these people saw the intent of God manifested around and in them through the creation, which is the reason they valued learning about God and structured their lives around God. Perhaps the riches God has brought humanity have blinded a few because they think they are rich of their own power instead of excepting that it comes from God. No worries though, they will be brought down so that they can learn the truth (which is essential to their happiness in the long run).

I don't know where you got this from.

 

The frailty of human logic in a way precludes a God. I mean, we (seemingly) live in a world of opposites. Because we, truthfully, completely lack certainty and knowledge, the other side of the coin is that, perhaps, complete knowledge and understanding exists. By the way I'm not going to explain to you why it is true that we lack knowledge, because if you don't know you probably won't understand what I'm saying anyway, so just quit reading.

Also, it's just kind of logical. The universe is alive and loaded with information, and it takes steps to preserve itself. It's had, possibly, (probably), an infinite amount of time to do so, and at least billions upon billions of years to do so.

A disbelief in God is a lack of understanding of one's own science, which will eventually lead to the same conclusion, which is that something very akin to God exists. It's very tiresome to hear "scientists" and "atheists" dismiss God as being a man who lives on a cloud with a big white beard who said "Let it be so" and existence happened. It's unimaginative, and just plain stupid. But what more is to be expected from an atheist. The issue is beginning to bore me.

 

so, by your reasoning, god is;..a moleculsar inteligence built into the fabric of the universe & al things? now that i can beleive in certainly there is order and chaos coexisting in the universe, there is structure..but it is an order that will eventualy be explainable.. by the way..i am in no way an athiest, or a scientist..i just reject all explanations that god is the only reasonable answer..its only 1 possible andsswer..& in my opinion a very irrational one..but since it can neither b proved nor disproved i choose to believe in the inknowable & umexplainable (therefore innameable) god..what is god then? i have no idea..noone does..noone can..by gods nature it is the unexplainable....very possibly the order and chaos ..a submolecular inteligence..so..if theres a submolecular inteligence..it stands to reason this inteligence has a conceise connection that exists in every atom in the universe..i don;t beleive god is a being..i just beleive god is..and i dont usualy call it god..i call it th unknowable..if there is a supreme conceisness..be it a being or a unifying force..and if there is such a thing as blasphemy.. woudnt the ultimsate blashphemy to be to claim only you (your particulaar faith) know the truth about god? about what god is..or wants..?

 

this is great. that first sentence i think is what i try to share with people too.

it's all the growth of technique, between logic and the understanding of ourselves. and one think i learned about logic, is that anything can be true, to that individual =) i think the problem that seperates us from God is when we open one door and continue down that hallway. the walls of that hallway barrier us to so much, and from so much.