Why I could never support Bush(In good conscience)

Yesterday on the phone, my Republican sister wanted to know a legit reason, beyond the Iraq war, why I would not,could not support Bush as president.

An interesting question and I thought about it long and hard, throwing out all the cliched reasons,war,the budget,his religious infringement..ect. and I found the reason that touches my heart the most. As a militant advocate of human-rights(a topic I plan on devoting my life too), one word dominated my mind....China. We have all heard Laughingwillow and I mention China numerous times in debate. It's one of the things we actually agree on. We both despise the USA's devotion to China.

Now, yesterday, I was watching CNBC and nearly vomited when they were talking about how the Bush administration is encouraging people to invest in Chinese stocks and encourage trade with China.

I don't understand this. We have had Cuba under a trade embargo for 50 years because of both their communist government and human-rights violations, with no plans of lifting it...yet it's ok to trade with China who is not only a communist country but also the world's number 1 violator of human-rights. Not Iraq, not Sudan, not Nigeria, not Saudi Arabia, not Iran, not El Salvador, not Cuba....China is number 1. Even the UN acknowleges their status in this issue. YET, the Bush administration wants to encourage trade with China. This after he also names China as "Most Favored Nation". What the fuck??!!!!! Most favored nation???? I can only conclude from that that Bush is one sick sadistic motherfucker. So sick that IMHO, he deserves nothing short of hospitalized,psychiatric care.

The Chinese government is committing every single fucking atrocity and horror that can be inflicted on individuals,groups, and the population as a whole. Imagine the sickest most depraved act and right now, in China, someone is being subjected to that. They force abortions,which even pro-choicers can't support, they force steriliazations, the shoot people in the streets for speaking out against policy, they burn people alive in public, they don't use animals for most of the worst testing over there....they use people. They test gases and biological weapons on people. Environmental protection and animal-welfare is nonexistant! They force athletes to train and compete on life/career threatening injuries. They have foreced child labor, no worker protection, no unions, livable wages are bare minimum. Thousands are kept locked in prisons without even being charged. China is continously occupying and invading neighboring smaller countries like Taiwan and Tibet, raping and murdering the people.

Remember Tiannemen(sp?) Square?? Students peacefully protesting and the Chinese military runs over them with fucking tanks!

This is the face of the "Most Favored Nation"??? We as Americans should support this??? They deserve our kudos more then any other country on earth???

Bush stormed into Iraq under a premise that we were "removing a tyrant who was torturing his people." BULLSHIT!!! Saddam and his sons havent committed a 3rd of what the Chinese government is doing right now.


Most Favored Fucking Nation?????!!!! I cannot and will not support this kind of disgusting and hypocritical ideology. I cannot and will not support a president who dismisses the atrocities committed by the Chinese government, especially while he mows over other countries under the guise of improving human-rights.

If you can find any other reason to hate Bush, hate him for his continous support of a mass-murdering, child-slaughtering, fear-mongering, horrendous government like China's. Ask yourself why Bush would support this? Is he afraid because China has the largest standing army and a nice stockpile of nukes? Is he afraid because his policies look almost as disgusting and similar to China's? Perhaps he supports China BECAUSE, like him, they commit the acts of mass-murder, child-slaughter, and fear-mongering.

I can't support anyone who disregards such blatant human-rights violations. I can't support anyone that would name China as "Most Favored Nation."

 

You wanna know why we support China? Look at pretty much any small thing you own, best bet is that it was made in China. Really, China controls our economy.

 

And B-I-N-G-O was his name-o.

It's all about the Yen.

 

That's Japan buddy.

 

whats your point?

 

Like we needed another reason to hate him....good one though.

 

Not that this has anything to do with bush, (or maybe it does) but in a globalization post a while back gabino tried to use china as an example of an improved nation.

http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1950&page=4&pp=10

Point break had this to say:

I'm glad that at least a few people here realize what goes on over there.

 

Wonderful post, otter. Great point!

 

I read your post, and generally agree with it. The current governement isn't exactly one to be proud of its past. In the 1950's Mao had "The Hundred Flowers" movement and the "Great Leap Forward". "Hundred Flowers" allowed, for a time, critizisms of the government by intellectuals. These critisisms were later held against the intellectuals, who were later imprisoned or killed. The "Great Leap Forward" was an attempt to industrialize the country overnight. This was a disaster. Steel production had fallen 50 percent. About this time the Soviet Union withdrew its support, famine resulted. Some say about 20 million people died.

In 1966 until he died in 1976, Mao staged the Cultural Revolution. I don't think anyone has been able to arrive at a reasonable figure the number of people killed during these 10 years.
Of course, June 6th, the Tienamin Square massacre. The government states the number killed was in the low hundreds. Others indicate those killed were in the thousands.

As for the rest of the items listed in the post, I havn't heard of them. Rumours had stated China has engaged in selling of human organs harvested from executed prisoners. There is no reliable data to support this claim.

As far as Pres. Bush is responsible for China's Most Favored Nation status. This is false. China, since the 1980's have been trying to gain enterance in the GATT (General Agreement of Trade and Tariffs; forrunner to World Trade Organization-WTO). In 1999, the Clinton administration reached an aggreement with China supporting the Chinese enterance into the WTO if they would lower tarriffs and barriers for American goods. In 2000, Congress passed into law China's Most Favored Nation status if they gain enterance into the WTO. In December 2001, China was accepted into the WTO. President Bush had little if anything to do with this. Remember September 11th was only 2 month previous. It would not have been to the United States advantage to piss off a possible ally against the Talliban's Afganistan.

Two things to watch for is Taiwan and the Panama Canal. China has made it very clear they consider Taiwan a breakaway province. Taking control of Taiwan is an internal matter much the same way Hong Kong's adminstration is also an internal matter. The only reason they havn't done so yet is China lacks a deep water navy. If I remember correctly, they are currently building one. When they are ready, if negotiations hasn't returned Taiwan into the fold, they will do so by force.

During the Carter Admin., the Panama Canal treaty was signed. One of the stipulations was the United States Congress had final say who was to operate the Canal, this being an incrediably strategic waterway not only for American shipping but also for the U.S. Navy. I understand the Navy has first rights going through the Canal. All other shipping must stand aside until the Navy has completed its passage.
During the Clinton years, the contract managing the Canal was issued to a company owned by China's People Liberation Army. President Clinton could have stopped this in accordance to the treaty. He instead allowed to happen without comment.
Consider how easy it is for Chinese agents to monitor American Naval Movements. They must know how to disable the Canal locks by now should China take Taiwan by force.

This post is getting too long, will continue on next post.

 

Damn, I'm getting too long winded. Gotta find ways to shorten my posts. Well...I'm almost done....

In Nov. 2001, I took an excursion tour to China. I visited Beijing, Yantze River including the 3 Gorges and the new Hydro Dam, Xian (Terra Cotta Warriors) Shanghai, Hong Kong and then home.

One of the things that amazed me, besides the number of people - heard there was a lot of them - but damn!....was the raise of comsumerism. Next to our Hotel in Beijing was a modern shopping mall. This had about 100 shops selling whatever what you would find in the States. One shop in particular, can't remember what they sold, had a poster with a bare chested woman (with a very nice set) displayed in the store's window. Anyone in the mall could see her. I must admit I walked in front of that store as often as I could. Any type of product was being offered for sale in China you could find here: Cars, Food, Household Goods, clothing, etc. This is 180 degrees from the Cultural Revolution. Of course this was in the city. Country life must be much different. I don't think they have WalMart's in every small town.
Free speech is somewhat in existance. Our tour guide in Xian described his teen years during the Cultural Revolution. Basically he was used as slave labor on a communial farm. He also mentioned he couldn't mentioned the word slave labor or his experiences only a few years earlier, since Tienamen Square.
The other thing that amazed me was it seemed almost everyone had a cell phone. People were taking calls on their cells in the middle of nowhere on the Yangtze River.

I wonder if there is a raising middle class in China. If so, this could make a huge difference to policy makers in Beijing. People who are living and eating better than their parents and grandparents tend not want to give their new found luxuries. Things we take for granted such as western style toilets. The Asian variety lay even with the floor. The user must position themself over the porcelain hole, squat, and let things flow. The next person hopes the previous visitor had a good aim.
This middle class, if it exists, could possible force Beijing to bend on issues such as Taiwan.

 

When I lived in France as a primary school boy, they had those type of toilets.I thought France could start exporting those toilets around the world to use as dog toilets.There would ones in easch street surrounded by a fence or hedge.

 

They must have sent them to China. Seen one in an airport. Thankfully, I only needed the use of an urinal.