Why do you need to be awesome to make lsd?

i mean.. i keep reading that you need to be a really qualified scientist to make lsd. why is this? i mean, what physical processes can be done by a.. chemist.. but not anyone else? to chemists have better stiring action? can they see in ultra violet?

cant a scientist write a very precise list of instructions and anyone with the equiptment could follow those instructions and make it?

arent chemist scholars only important in the descovery of the chemical? which part of the production process requires physical skills learnt in chemistry?

 

This is kinda like saying, "I have 10 fingers, why can't I play the piano like mozart?"

 

The answer lies within your question my young one! I'll show you.

There it is. Most people dont have the needed equipment, so they try to make it, and things go wrong. could blow up, could make bad bad chemicals and not lsd, could just not plain work. Also, to get the equipment, and get the needed ingredients you need to be a chemist, and have a legit reason for having those compounds (all needed to make it). This all still requires money, regardless of who you are, and being too complex of a procedure for any novice, most give up after attempt 1, 2 or 3, and it could take several tries for a knave to get it correct, which they dont want to pay for.

 

http://www.entheogen.com/articles/pre-2004/conversations.html

he says its easy

 

1) Unavailibilty of supplies
2) Lack of knowledge. LSD is one of the hardest drugs to synthesize.
3) Lack of want to make LSD. A lot of time, effort, money, and possible failure are involved. Why not get started today making speed?

I have several LSD synthesises on my computer. I'd be glad to email them to you, if you feel you can use them. Here's a bit from one of them.

Understand it? Did you even understand one whole sentance?

 

my chem teacher says she made it in college back in the 60s

 

bingo, 40 years ago before the neccesary tools and chemicals were watched by the DEA. You do realize that all supliers of such ARE REQUIRED BY LAW to report everytime some one even tries to purchase said equipment and chemicals. Not just who they selll to, but who tries and fails. yeah, I reccomend you stick with extracting LSA or buying your cid.

 

my main qualm was with the assumption that you need to be hotshit scientist to make the stuff. not to get the ingredients. its nothing like having 10 fingers and playing like mozart. you just have to make the lsd, its a single compound, you dont have to have the thinkning skills of a playing musician. just like almost anyone can construct a treehouse from a kit from a hardware store, or follow some instructions to a cooking recipe.

obviosuly a good scientist would be able to notice problems in experimentation and act apon them well, but if an exact procedure was given, and you knew it wasnt some random internet guide., it should be possible for anyone with the resources to make the stuff.

 

augustus stanley owsley III was not a college-educated chemist...
he did have a couple intense dinner conversations with folks who did have PhDs & wanted to ensure that the SF 60s experiment got off to a good start...

good lab technique, some grasp of the underlying molecular transformations, the ability to read and understand lab procedure write-ups (& the ability to keep decent lab notes yourself) - these are all a great help in the challenging field of free-lance chemistry... (as well as the ability to obtain the necessary & to keep a very low profile, authorities-wise...)

 

Read my above post. Those are some instructions, and if you don't understand those, you can't make LSD. Also you don't "just have to make LSD", its very complicated.

Like you said, there are some cooking recipes that you can easily understand, but there are also many you would never understand or be able to do. Just like that, LSD isn't mixed baking soda and vineger.

"you dont have to have the thinkning skills of a playing musician" - actually I think that's a very good point, except you do need those skills.

 

wow......just wow.

 

Yeah, seriously guy...just forget about it. Even if you somehow could get some ET and lysergic acid (will never happen), as well as all the pricey lab equipment, you would most likely end up spending a very long time on the inside of a federal bang-me-in-the-ass prison. The US gov't tends to not like mass-manufacturers of schedule I substances, ESPECIALLY LSD.

 

Just about everything!

These "physical skills" are commonly called "lab technique", and are acquired through years of study and practice. LSD synthesis isn't simply a matter of dumping a bunch of different chemicals into a pot and pouring the mixture onto blotter sheets.

The "physical skills" would be stuff like proper glassware setup, how and when to use a fume hood, avoiding the hazards of explosion, fire or poisoning which will be everywhere, and how to properly purify your product without flushing all of it down the drain.

These aren't things that can be easily explained in an internet posting, but they are CRITICAL to success. LSD synthesis involves very critical technique and painstaking attention to details which might not be readily apparent on casual observation. It would be like trying to describe how to drive a car to a complete novice, but the first time they actually sat behind a steering wheel they got dropped into the Indy 500!

 

That's a good way to put it. If you don't understand the basics of chemistry, you can't appreciate the skill required and the difficulty of it all.

 

Oh yeah, thallium salts! There's some fun-loving, user-friendly stuff there...

https://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/12963.htm

Makes LiAlH4 look like baby shampoo...

 

my ex got into this when he was young. he thought he could study chemistry and make a million dollars when he figured out how to make LSD.

He then saw the complexity and forgot about it. When you get older and really see what it takes, I mean every miniscule detail with getting the supplies and lab equipment, you'll understand why it takes so much to manufacture.

I agree with someone who said Ex killed the LSD business. I still love taking it, but it's true. It's easier (in a way) to make and you can sell it for a lot more. People still expect L to be sold at 5 bucks a hit and it just doesn't work that way anymore.

 

I don't know if I'd say lsd is hard to make, I just whipped a few vials from the posted recipe and all I had to do was

1.set up fake bussiness front .
2.order all the correct glassware and have it shipped to my fake bussiness.
3.obtain the proper dea license for the watched chems
4. order the watched chems without raising a red flag with the glassware
5.learn to cook crank!



five simple steps! sounds easy enough. But seriously, bro, don't let us stop you from experimenting, have fun buddy!

 

I think you all are rudely missing the question thats being asked here...why does everyone get so pissy.
I think the answer to the original question is yes. If you were provided everything needed to make LSD inlcuding an instruction manual, you can. It may take a while to learn what everything is and how to use it but with plenty of studying up on it all you could nail it.
A degree is only an expensive piece of paper proving you know it.

 

Well, if you are able to learn enough chemistry to UNDERSTAND the written instructions, and were given the equipment and materials, then you should certainly be able to do it. But by the time you get to that point, you are getting pretty close to being a CHEMIST. No, having a college degree in chemistry isn't a requirement, but a good working knowledge of chemistry and lab techniques IS. And for the vast majority of folks, the best way to acquire such skills would be a course of formal study.

It doesn't even prove that. It only proves that you paid your tuition, showed up in class, and were able to pass tests. I've met a few degreed chemists who were completely inept when you actually stick them at a lab bench and tell them to carry out a synthesis. Like every other field, modern chemistry education is emphasizing computer models and simulations over "hands-on" skills these days.

 

Bill, try reading through an LSD synthesis. I guarantee you won’t get past the first paragraph without having to utilize some form of reference material. As others pointed out, by the time you possess the fundamental skills (more than stirring is involved) and the intimate knowledge of the processes, to some extent you have become a “chemist” (for this case a better term would be cook) . In the realm of psychedelic synthesis, LSD is on the top of the difficulty list.

There are three ways you can get to this point, a formal education, have an experienced LSD chemist/cook teach you, or teach yourself. Judging by your question I am fairly confident you do not possess the superior intellect to teach yourself this level of chemistry without the assistance of others. In addition, there are only a handful of experienced LSD manufacturers in the world and I highly doubt they are going to take you on as an apprentice. So, this leaves the route 99.9% of us would need to take….formal education.

IMO, to be able to grasp all the concepts involved one would need at LEAST a 4 year degree, or equivalent, in organic chem. Even at this level its doubtful someone could pull off the synthesis (with all the equipment and precursors) without numerous time consuming and extremely costly attempts.