what political ideology are you?

Discussion in 'The Whiners' started by Burbot, Feb 4, 2005.

  1. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

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    WE as in the united states... you fail to realize that people live in different societies outside of the united states... "WE" are the earth and "WE" are in many different places right now.
     
  2. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

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    Perhaps the workes should protect themselves, why have a central authority in charge of it? But if you want to go for that, no where in the world actualy is either of the extremes, so I will what is closest. Japan is another good example of capitalism. :D
     
  3. Soulless||Chaos

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    Oops sorry, I forget some people don't care to be responsible for themselves, and need others to take care of them. :rolleyes:
     
  4. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

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    The only thing the masses govern is the state of non-governing... If you try to govern them, you will die. Other than that, you are free.
     
  5. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

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    I think you've missed the point, I mean we as in humanity. It started in anarchy, as close as we'll ever be. Is anarchy at all dominant now? That disproves your argument for anarchy. :p
     
  6. Soulless||Chaos

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    How little they govern is irrelevant, simply that they do, in effect, govern, and so it is not anarchy.
     
  7. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

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    Now im really starting to think you haven't a clue what Communism is.

    I dont CARE to be a slave to my boss and make shitty wages... I dont CARE to have multinational corporations abuse their children workers and pay them close to nothing, creating a state of shitty living conditions in the country.
    Thats why I dont think capitalism works... but you see no problem with those things, so you think it works..
     
  8. Burbot

    Burbot Dig my burdei

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    people are responsible...but if they act out on their cares, they get fired...thats why the government need to protect people

    if the US government didn't protect people, then there would be almost no economy...[cept maby for the stock market] but then where would they get the labour from...Capitalism also, if im not mistaken, in theory, dosen't rely on trade with other contries
     
  9. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

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    You do not understand Anarchy either..
    You think of it much the stereotypical way the Media portrays it as..

    Just because its an anarchist society, doesnt mean there arent reprecussions for doing bad things... rapists and cold blooded murderers will have justice upon them... but this doesnt mean there has to be a central government, the people govern themselves.

    This is real anarchy, and its not what you think of it as.

    its not a complete chaos-filled society where you can do whatever youw ant and expect not to have society backlash at you
     
  10. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

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    You are only a slave to your boss if you choose to be. You are not forced to make shitty wages. Perhaps the children will take the abuse and accept next to no pay because if they didn't then they would actualy get no pay. Besides, they are not my responsibility. :D Are the conditions in their countries really the result of capitalism, or perhaps corrupt governance, lack of an infrastructure, after effects of imperialism, etc..
     
  11. Burbot

    Burbot Dig my burdei

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    the effects would have to be of capitalism cause the government does not control what happens in the economy, so as soon as the gov't says "you cant have little kids making shit shirts for shit $" it is not capitalist...
     
  12. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

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    Anarchy isnt dominant but it is existant. And I would argue that the form of lawlessness that would be experienced at the Dawn of man, would be entirely different than Anarchy.
     
  13. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

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    an·ar·chy (nr-k) KEY

    NOUN:
    pl. an·ar·chies

    1. Absence of any form of political authority.
    2. Political disorder and confusion.
    3. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.

    ETYMOLOGY:
    New Latin anarchia, from Greek anarkhi, from anarkhos, without a ruler : an-, without ; see a- 1 + arkhos, ruler ; see -arch
    You just don't get the point do you? Anarchy simply is not possible. If there are repercussions, then there is some form of government. If there is any form of government, there is no anarchy.
     
  14. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

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    Many of us in America, do not have a choice whether or not to make shitty wages, or to be a slave to our boss. It's hard enough to find work, and when we do, we are stuck being slaves to our bosses and making barely enough to get by, if that.

    And the ones who work for our rich corporations definitely have no choice. It's either that or starvation.
    All of those things, including capitalism.
     
  15. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

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    This leads me to wonder, do you understand what anarchy is? What it actualy is, not your interpretation.
    And yet, government sprang from the closest thing to anarchism to have ever existed. Interesting huh? :D
     
  16. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

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    If you don't like you boss, you could quite your job, no one is stopping you. If you make shitty wages, you could find a better job, again no one is stopping you.
     
  17. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

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    You aren't getting the point.
    Just because there are reprecussions for things does NOT mean there is a GOVERNMENT.

    1. The act or process of governing, especially the control and administration of public policy in a political unit.
    2. The office, function, or authority of a governing individual or body.
    3. Exercise of authority in a political unit; rule.
    4. The agency or apparatus through which a governing individual or body functions and exercises authority.
    5. A governing body or organization, as:
      1. <LI type=a>The ruling political party or coalition of political parties in a parliamentary system. <LI type=a>The cabinet in a parliamentary system.
      2. The persons who make up a governing body.
    6. A system or policy by which a political unit is governed.
    7. Administration or management of an organization, business, or institution.
    8. Political science.
    9. Grammar. The influence of a word over the morphological inflection of another word in a phrase or sentence.
     
  18. Soulless||Chaos

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    3. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.
    It is quite obvious what I mean.
     
  19. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

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    Some people amazingly CANT find a better job.. When they get a job they HAVE to stick to it, because the only choice they have, is that shitty job, or another shitty job.

    Try living in NYC with no college experience and tell me if you have a choice between having a job that pays enough, to one that does not.
     
  20. Burbot

    Burbot Dig my burdei

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    Souless, you fail to see that jobs where you can earna not shitty wage are few and far between cause people exect cheep goods, so the workers must be paid very little...hect, does America have minimum wage, sure does, another sign Capitalism doent work...im sure everyone here would agree that most people woud pay people pennies if there was no minimun wage...People arent as good as ou make them out to be
     
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