What IS sexual immorality

you always hear people talking about sexual immorality and how its wrong, and people know how the bible is always talking about how its wrong and its a sin, but what IS sexual immorality? if 2 adults are mutual on having sex is that considered sexual immoraltiy? where is the line? the only definition i found on line was: the evil ascribed to sexual acts that violate social conventions which narrows it down too......what? where is the line drawn? and what do you feel is "sexual immorality?" is 2 people who love each other but arnt married considered to be "sexually immoral" if there having sex?

 

The only "sexual immorality" I can think of is rape, where one person forces themselves onto another person and robs them of their free choice. Other than that, I don't see anything wrong with two people showing love for each other through sex...or even just two people giving each other pleasure through the use of their bodies, whether there be love involved or not. Sex outside of marriage has been happening for ages, and frankly, I've seen more UNmarried couples happy and in love than I have seen married couples happy and in love. Marriage is just legality...it has nothing to do with the heart and wanting to share yourself with another human being.

 

Well, I'm not sure.. Biblically I think it just depends on one's own interpretation of the scripture. My friend is a hardcore Baptist and she believes that sexual immorality includes anything premarital, someone having an affair, and homosexuality.


Of course there are many different interpretations so I guess you have to sort of decide for yourself what you think it's referring to.

 

Oh, puhlease. The bible was written by some crafty people and has been used by similar crafty people to control the fearful.

They made up a bunch of rules based on their own predilections, prejudices, fears, hatreds and constructs, and weild the threat of "hell" to scare the masses into complying with their orders. It's a simply but brilliant scheme: "There is this all-powerful entity called God, and he assigned ME to tell you these rules I...er, I mean HE has written, that you must obey. If you do not obey, you will be subjected to pain beyond any you can imagine, for all eternity. Oh, and he won't listen or speak to YOU, just ME. Now, 'he' orders you to build me a temple and a palace, and oh he also told me that I'm not subject to the same rules as the rest of you. One of these rules is you cannot make love with someone unless you are married. Why? Who are you to question what the logic of these rules is!?"

That's how it went, pretty much. I have to believe that it is, anyway. Why would a loving god put so much emphasis on a silly formality like marriage before two people who love each other can physically express that love?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for marriage, but not because of religion; because of the sense of commitment that the two people involved can feel as a result of it, the closeness and the love.

Blue skies,
-Jeffrey

 

Hey man, I agree completely with you. I think that you nailed it pretty well. I was just trying to give felix the answer i thought he/she was looking for seeing as though the question appeared to be heading in that direction. I wasn't trying to advocate religious bullshit, just to clear that one up.

 

Individual societies use the idea of immorality in different ways. Being German, and currently living in the USA (unfortunately), I've seen two distinct sides of it. Germans are a lot more "free" with sexuality and nudity (as are most Europeans). I came from the Munich area - there is a large park there called the English Gardens - it's not at all uncommon for people to go in there and sunbathe nude, etc... right in public. That sort of thing would never fly in America - here, we have nude beaches or resorts (though they're few and far between), and the religious nuts are constantly trying to shut them down. There's a beautiful nude beach in Wisconsin that's been targeted repeatedly by a local religious fanatic and his group of merry men. So far, they have not succeeded in shutting the place down, fortunately.

In general, Americans are prudes - the country was founded by puritans and protestant bible-thumpers. Things may change a bit, but it will take a long time, especially with the seriously misguided people currently in charge of the USA.

 

I don't know what people you heard talking about immorality, but it sounds to me like you might be looking for the legal definition of sexual immorality. If that's the case, then you have to check your local and state laws, as it varies from place to place. Some places I hear you can be convicted as sexual predator, and have to register where you live for the rest of your life, just for public urination. They call it exposure of sexual organs. Not every place is that strict, but in general when people talk about what's immoral, they're talking about things like rape, or pedophelia for instance. Morality is basically the distinction between what is right and what is wrong. It's up to you to decide for yourself how you feel about things that others may say are immoral. Again, here's an example. Some may say that there's nothing wrong with prostitution and it should be legal. I need only ask myself if I would want my daughter to be a prostitute. Get the idea? Weigh all of your accumulated knowledge, then think for yourself.

 

i dont really mean legally, more on a peronal moral level, like what would you not do beafuase you felt it was sexually immoral

 

*looks sad* I'm american...im not a prude! *cries* But really, don't you think that's a bit of a rash generalization? Just come on over to kentucky! (You won't believe it!) I'm sure most POLITICAL figures are against free love and nudity but only because of the publicity it gets. Sex is alive and well in america, hell, even with children. Which brings me to...am i a children?

 

There's lots of things that I wouldn't do. What's your question? I wouldn't have sex with a mentally challenged person O.K.? Your turn.

 

It really doesn't matter what I'd do or not do. If you're faced with a moral dilemma, then you're the one who has to decide for yourself what you can live with and what you can't. Again, weigh the facts, then think for yourself. You have to live with your concience, not me.

 

Sexual immorality is what the tightasses call the fun that the hip kids are havin.

 

Personally, there are many things that I won't do because they do not sound appealing to me (anal sex, S&M beyond light bondage, etc.). However, as long as all parties are consenting, and capable of giving consent (mature enough and mentally capable of making such a decision), I don't see really anything as immoral. Some of the things consenting individuals do may be disturbing & even disgusting, but I wouldn't call it immoral unless one was pressured or forced to participate or unable to make an informed decision as to whether to participate.

 

While I agree that the Bible is irrelevant in this issue, I would argue that the logic of the rules is quite clear.

Homosexuality -- at the time that the bible was written, the Hebrews were a very small group in the middle of a harsh environment, with warring superpowers on either side (Egypt & either Babylonians or Assyrians or whoever, depending on exact time). Anything that reduces the number of babies born puts the society in jeopardy, because they need as many people as possible to survive. Openly accepted homosexuality would take some people out of the breeding pool. That's not acceptable.

Prostitution -- Judaism was in direct competition with pagan cults, particularly the worship of Baal, for centuries. Several of those cults had temple prostitutes, who were somehow connected to fertility rituals. You can imagine why prostitution would be deemed a sin against "the one true god", when the practice is generally connected with the worship of another god!

Premarital sex & adultery -- in those days, marriage had nothing to do with love. The husband was essentially purchasing future children. He does not want to have to wonder whether the child she is carrying belongs to him or to some other man. This, of course, can be connected to the limited resources of the region & the pattern of inheritance. It's interesting to look at how, in some ethnic groups where resources are abundant (hunter-gatherers & herders, generally), premarital & extramarital sex is perfectly acceptable. In fact, if the couple does not have a child in the first year or two, the wife is encouraged to have an extramarital affair, because getting pregnant is the important thing, regardless of who the biological sperm donor is.

 

Well, obviously you're not a prude if you're posting here

But yes, what I said certainly *was* a generalization - Americans are just as obsessed with sex as anybody - maybe even more so because of the restrictions placed on sexuality and nudity in American society. The point is, Americans aren't as willing to accept sexual "liberty" to the degree found in other places. It seems people in USA think it's ok for themselves, but morally wrong for others. A bit of a double-standard.

 

thats the kind of answer i was looking for, i already know whats ok for me, im not looking for opinions of what I should do, more of a general idea of how others feel, i already know how i feel and what i will and wont do

 

so if someone called you sexually immoral for having sex before your married would you argue with them? and whats ok with your concience may not be ok for the person your involved with

 

Consent is needed of course.

How young can someone consent to sex? Does the age of the partner effect that number?

Mental imparment affects consent.
How many drinks does it take to make someone incapable of 'moral' consent?
What level of mental retardation removes the ability to consent?
How crazy can one be and still consent?

All of those questions are about the state of one partner. What about the other partner?
A man has sex with a very drunk woman, yet he is unaware of how drunk she is. Is his act immoral?

There is another area of inquiry:
Are there sexual acts that are so unhealthy that, even with mutual consent, they are immoral.

I hesitate to approach the question of exactly what those acts may be.

 

O.K. So is that what this is about? You're dating a christian and she doesn't
want premarital sex? Is she a virgin? Or has she had a previous unpleasant but consentual experience. If it's the latter, then it would appear that premarital sex wasn't always immoral...just now it is. If it's the former, then you must decide how much she means to you and if you love her enough to be able to respect her beliefs, and wait until you're married. But it's true that I would try to persuade her to see things my way. Of course, I'd realize that I'm probably not the first one to do that, and in her view, too strong of persuasion may be interpreted as disrespect.

How's that? Did this address your concerns?...and if there was a spell checker on this site, I'd use it.

 

Being american myself, I notice we are full of hypocrytes (sp?).