What has happened to mankind?

I was just thinking... about 90 or so odd years ago we were still aloud to be alive if we didn't have a job and gave are money to governments and corporations. Wtf happened!?!? When did paying to be alive become necessary? Where did shit first hit the fan!?!? Why is it virtually illegal today to build a log cabin and live off the land? I feel there is something here people have been ignoring for decades.. There are sum serious skeletons in the closet.

 

Yea, the government dick planted firmly in their colons.

 

Progress happened.

 

Totally agree. I went camping last week and we had to pay $20 a night. Just for camping in a forest. It's ridiculous. You can't go anywhere and sleep for free, you have to pay up. Everything in the world is arranged to get you into work-slavery, to force consumerism upon you.

You see people slaving their ass away all week long, then they go and buy huge tvs, fast cars, drugs and alcohol. If they only bought what they really needed they would only need to work a fraction of what they do, and they would appreciate life a lot more too. But you can't even do that - any decent job is full-time, 40+ hours a week otherwise you're stuck on a low wage for life.

 

You mean Apples stock went up?

 

I mean you're enjoying and taking for granted many privileges and a standard of living that was pretty much unheard of 90 years ago.

What do you want to do with your life?
Live on the land? So do it, no one is stopping you. I personally know people who have built cabins in the mountains and live completely secluded from society. It isn't a big conspiracy, there's an ungodly amount of undeveloped land in the United States, go buy yourself a lot.
You'd do well to remember that no man is an island though.

 

Greedy physiologically sick humans are indeed stopping me. Why ells would i be forced to sell the rights to my labor in order to earn "debt" in which i can then use to purchase living quarters on the planet I was born on? Also the living conditions of this planet are putrid compared to what it so easily could be. I'll have you know the technology for your ipod was developed and already mastered in the 80's. The "privileges" and "standards" of living the public has today are like hand me downs from the government and its privet sectors.

 

Oh, so you aren't really offering up valid complaints against the practical formation of a functional society, you're just a lazy 16 year old who doesn't want to work.
Got it.

 

That’s an awful lot of assuming for someone whom has never been in physical contact with me. Just so you know i work two jobs.. And in which ways do you see this society as functional? From what i can tell it's a culturally absent over populated class driven police state.

 

I have a feeling you don't understand what "culture" actually means.
Nor "police state".
Nor "over-populated".

 

If you want to drop out, drop out. There are places in this world where you could live off of a hundred dollars a year or so. It would be a really simple life, but it wouldn't have all the comforts of your american society. Even if you went to one of the poorer european countries, don't expect to live like you do now.

If you truly believe in dropping out of your "over populated class driven police state," by all means do so, but keep in mind that truly leaving it means you have to leave behind your tv, your internet, even things like a washer and dryer. Mind you, I wouldn't mind leaving that stuff behind, but it sounds to me like you would mind.

Not to say I disagree with what you're saying. But I just wonder if you fully comprehend what you say you want.

 

These are also assumptions. But you are not me and therefore cannot speak for my own perceptions, as i cannot do for you.

 

Id love to do so as it would be such a peacefull living. But running from a problem will never solve it.

 

Self-sufficiency is still possible today. Save some money, buy some land, get off the grid. People do it all the time. There are several people on hipforums that are doing it. Talk to them, get advice from them, learn how they reached their goal. Its not impossible.

You're also forgetting that frontier men and women 200 years ago were able to build log cabins and live off the land, yes, but their lives were not easy. It was a constant strugle for survival. People had to work their asses off just to live. No one has ever gotten anything for free. In modern society you work behind a desk or you work for someone doing manual labor or you own your own busines, or whatever..you work in exchange for a paycheck. Our ancestors worked the land to survive. Work is a neccessity for survival, no matter what form it takes or what the payment is. You're always going to have to put in effort to get anything out of life.

 

Age discrimination.

Assumption: a 16 yr old must be a dumbass

I think these are good, valid questions being asked. I don't think stash ought to be talked down to as is seemingly the case.

 

Absolutely. I like this answer.

I think stash is just puzzled at the fact that "settling" is seemingly disallowed in this era.

 

:iagree:

 

I think we can assume that it's hard work. There's no need to point it out, and it isn't relevant to this thread at all. A lot of people are assuming for some reason that he doesn't want to work or is lazy, god knows why.

 

Be the change you want to see in the world.

If you want people to get back to the land, you must do it yourself. If you want people to be self sufficient, you must become self-sufficient. If running from the problem never solves it, then how can you solve it if you continue to feed the system which you say you hate?

 

I think it is relevant. The OP wanted to know when we had to start paying to be alive. I answered him. Mankind has always had to pay to live, in one form or another.