What happens when you scrap the welfare state

I thought that this was an interesting read:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ts--queues-at-charity-food-banks-1428688.html

Any Kiwis out there who want to comment?

 

Good read. With all due respect, you might as well be pissing in the wind showing the results of REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE around here. The burning hate for anything that slows the transfer of wealth upward, is much in evidence throughout the land, and worshipped by those that aren't even aware that they are and have been subject to a well thought-out,divisive plan. They'll be in here soon.

 

As with Lenin in Russia, working people are led by elites, not by their own. What hope do we have when those defending us are academics? Noam Chomsky; gimme a break. It's easy for Noam to be critical of the USA, as he is the product of a Zionist subculture that, historically, is THE outsider, critical of the host nation. Sure, their perspective is valuable at times, but it isn't a working class perspective.

The anti-Americanism prevalent in Left circles is born of academia, or of rebellion against dada, who is a corporate CEO, professional, or military officer.

The skeptical take on the War on Terror is practically tailor made to alienate the Left from the masses. Remember the Cold War, and the Leftists running around talking about Guatemala? Sure, there were abuses in Guatemala, but the folks exiting the factory gates couldn't have cared less about this issue, that academia was so focused upon. And! The USSR and China -were- fascist, so focusing on US mistakes made us appear disloyal. Same holds true today. I don't give a rat's ass about the Islamic extremists, who are of a patriarchal religion; mysogynistic; xenophobic; and intolerant.

The present Left tone and agenda is like some kind of "misdirect".

Well, that's my take. Until the Left changes, it's a mere comical fringe.

But, I respect everybody's opinion, so feel free to disagree.

 

As for the "welfare state", it's essential for equal opportunity. One of my parents dropped out of school so as to work, and also because the family couldn't afford school supplies. As long as the USA enshrines equality of opportunity, it is essential that we have welfare. And public education.

The damn preachers have always wanted to dismantle public education, and the banks now smell profit in privatizing education with "vouchers" and "charter schools". Also, the elites among The Left want and need us to become wreched, so we will jump on their bandwagon. So they enable the conservative attacks on "The Safety Net". As long as we participate in elections, we're not flocking to their Utopian schemes.

Bankers, preachers, anarchists, and Marxists; strange bedfellows!

 

It's hard to defend government dependency. It's also hard to defend the government creating the need for people to become dependent in the first place. It all boils down to the manipulation of the economy, which creates turmoil and the need for people to seek government assistance. The more problems government creates, the bigger government becomes, while people become increasingly dependent on that government until you basically have a fascist state.

 

I think that you're mistakenly equating the Democratic Party with 'The Left'. They are merely slightly left of the only other party, but most definitely not left wing by most definitions.

 

What does a canadien know about the dimocrat party? If you have an IQ above 75 and are taking part in gubmint give aways ; shame on you. This being the case ; the safety net has morphed into a hammock. Case closed.

 

But I thought you justified Ayn Rand taking government 'give aways' by saying that any reasonable person in her position would have done it?

 

How can one argue with the passionate, compassionate and caring statements made by Riptides. Expecting this kind of an article to be understood by some here, is akin to teaching a dog to shoot pool. The understanding is just not there.

 

To my findings , Ms. Rand only drew social security. Yes, an evil system , I know. However, no SNAP , cell phones , fianacial aid , etc. We all pay into socialist security ; perhaps the only bona fide entitlement ; however mis guided. How does the queen do hand outs in canada? Oh, and scratchem , i'll bet my schnauzer will run the pool table on you or any other dimocrat.

 

Humans have always been led by elites. Who are the elites? The first ones that started feeling they were elites, started with clubs to wrest a meal or a woman from someone else because----well--they DESERVED it. Isn't that enough? Any and every group of humans that ever came along,contained those that DESERVE whatever they happen to want, to the exclusion of their fellow citizens in many cases. They're special, don't you know? And they're still here. Bigger clubs and crafty paper.---------------You never know. The human race may decide to (somehow) over-ride the urge for unbridled, oft times un-principled, greed and decide that empathy, compassion and equitable treatment --FOR ALL-- should supplant it.


Nah---who the fuck am I kidding? Buy more. buy more now.

 

I hope your schnauzer has an ass- pocket full 'a dough, then.

 

I'm all for saving taxpayer money. Let's start by cutting corporate welfare benefits to zero and see how that works for a while. I bet we'll have all kinds of money to invest in things that actually benefit the people.

 

Are you really that bitter , scratchem? Just retire ; call it a day. Why be envious? Oh, ah, Schotzie is ready , 9-ball?

Class envy = revenue sharing. Does not make for attractive personality.

 

Oh c'mon dude. I'm not bitter---just an observant old crack of 74. Retire? I don't need no stinkin' rockin' chair.

 

You describe yourself as a Randian cultist, but then say that anyone who behaves as she does must have a very low IQ.

So what does that say about your own intelligence?

 

We all draw social security ; we paid into it. A sad deal but still present for all. This is the only form of assistance Ayn received from the government. Egg your post like the rest of your schtik lacks clarity and depth. Try later with a more impressionable audience.

 

She also used medicare in her fight against cancer.

 

Isn't medicare something we all have paid into? Thus making it as social security , one of the only true entitlements. Where do the elderly go for cancer care? We do know Ayn was not receiving a Pell Grant or administrative welfare.

 

Is there some particular problem with taking care of people? Why shouldn't gov't take care of people? Gov't seems to think it can intrude in and rule our lives in any way it sees fit. It's supposed to work for us...not against our best interests. We are expected to prop up this bullshit system that only benefits the elite and get nothing in return? Save the propaganda talking points. This is all a fucking farce and people who support it are sadly misinformed of the true reality of the system. The system doesn't give a fuck about you no matter who you vote for. You're expected to be a trooper and carry on supporting this shit. And if you're a little unfortunate...well...screw you...you worthless slug!! Meanwhile, the real slugs and parasites continue to milk all of us. But it's ok as long as we are divided over trivial costs that pale in comparison to what the rich are milking the system for. Get real! This debate is bullshit that does nothing more than motivate intellectual pawns.