We want freedom!

We want freedom!
To Cry in a chick flick!!
To giggle like "little school girls!"!!
To wear make up!
To have our own softball team!
To like ballet!
To like 007 movies as well as soap operas!
To be taken on a date instead of taking some one on a date!
To have our wallets full of money!
To Rule over Fashion!
To like pink!
To like being sensitive!
To wear colorful "tuxedos"
To wear beautiful "men outfits' that we would invent if we had the freedom to do so!
To have a men's world association!
To have organizations strictly for "men"
To have a "men" hangout forum in Hipforums!

And finallY!

Do everything that is up there and stay heterosexual and never call ourselves GAY! or Queer!

DO ALL THAT AND BE PROUD TO BE A MAN!

Down with women! hell yea!
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-world menist association (giggle!-like a school girl while being proud to be a man)

 

a mens forum woulda be kinda cool

 

I already suggested that, but apparently men don't have issues in Skip's mind. Somebody's going to have to start one as a personal form, as was the case before, but I'm certainly not going to pay for something that should already exist.

 

WHAT!- AN OUTRAGE!

This is what I call reverse sexism!- I can't believe skip thinks we don't need unnecessary attention like the women!, How dare him!

BTW! Save our brother skip! He is brainwashed by the female domination of these forums!

Did you notice the color of these forums is PINK!

(the above sentences were written is only in sheer sarcasm and is not directed to any specific individual (even skip), thank you and have a good night)

 

The difficulty is that it is commonly seen that many of the world's problem come from male domination of the culture. This quickly (but not universaly) changes into the notion that men are the problem.

I have noticed that many of the threads in the Women's Forum are about topics that are about being a woman (eg. how to deal with menstruation) rather than man bashing.

When there was a Mans forum, about half the posts were about what is wrong with women. I don't know if the general audience would enjoy a Mens forum like that.

 

Hey man, we can talk about football alright? you just have to ban the people who are actually talking BS. There was a user here , who posted about how women are evil and stuff... they banned him! and also before this forum got "renewed", most of the stuff was about feminism.

 

Banning is a hasle for the moderator. I was just guessing why Skip didn't have a Mens forum.

If you decide to create a private Mens Forum, it mignt get things off to a good start to ask "If a 13 year old asked you what does it mean to 'Be a Man', what would you say?"

 

that we can go to the bathroom alone without a group of 5 other people,


hehe

 

This is why we have to have a men's forum: so such issues can be discussed in an open and honest manner. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem possible here.

There certainly is male bashing here, although some of the most notorious ones have either left, or like Astrocat, were banned.

That doesn't constitute female-bashing, however. I think it was actually quite healthy. I don't think that men should have to tolerate unacceptable treatment at the hands of women, as is expected the other way around. And so men expressing themselves when it comes to unacceptable treatment is a good thing.

 

I think they call that metrosexual. Except for the giggling like a schoolgirl part, that's just fruity.

 

Well, I agree that if us women have our own forum, than men should have one, too! i am sure that there are some issues that men would like to talk about (not being a man I have no idea what they would be, though!)

It is sexist to have something special for one sex, and not the other! I say there should be equality in these forums, of all places!!!

Perhaps if you men start a threads about these topics, and it is seen that there is a need for your own forum, than perhaps you will be granted one.

 

I have to agree here. If a woman does a "guy" thing its no big deal but whenever a guy does a "chick" thing people question their sexuallity. Womens groups are proactive, mens groups are sexist. I'm not sure about all that stuff like.... Soap operas... But there is a lot of truth. Women want equallity? Pay for your damn movie ticket or salad or whatever... I notice often that women want only the good parts of "equallity" but dont want to give up those benifits of being a woman...

 

Who is stopping you from doing all those things.
Women have fought to be able to do everything a man can do. Why can't men fight to do everything a woman can do.
Stop complaining and do something about it.

All the power to you.
-CB

 

well said!

 

This whole notion that men still are obligated to pay for women is troubling; while one can understand how this was justifiable decades ago when things were different, now it's pretty cheap, if you ask me. It's interesting how I've never heard feminists complain about this disparity.

 

What do you mean "stop complaining"? Complaining brings awareness, and with awareness hopefully change. I say keep complaining.

 

men are not obligated to pay for women. This is the year 2004! I and many women I know dont expect men to pay for anything. I cant remember the last time I let a man pay for anything even when he offered. I have payed my man's way plenty of times. It is a nice gesture, whether it be the man that pays or the women that pays. Feminists fight for equality in the workplace and other related issues. Whether or not a man pays her way at the drive in has nothing to do with feminism or equality. It more or less has to do with tradition.

 

Well, no one is stopping you from doing "chick" things. I assume you are talking about things such as crying at movies or enjoying fashion...things that might make other guys or girls question your sexuality. But there is no rule or anything that is stopping you from doing those things, only the fact that you might care if someone questions your sexuality. So that is something that you have to change within yourself. Who cares what other people think? I agree that alot men feel the need to be "macho" and that, again, rises from social tradition and society's viewpoint. But that doesnt mean that you have to see it that way. I think society has come a long way in that respect. But it is up to you as an individual. If you simply ignore what other people think then it really isnt much of a problem

 

Tradition doesn't justify anything. Whether you want to admit it or not, women do expect men to pay more often than not, and women inherently look for men who earn more than they do. Just because a woman chooses to pay for her man once in a while (like on his birthday) doesn't mean that the old antiquated notion of male-as-provider has been forsaken. It's like saying that a man who washes the dishes once and awhile is sharing equally in doing household chores.

 

you cant make such generalizations, really. personally i have paid for myself and MEN more than a man has EVER paid my way for anything. Thats just how i am...i like to take care of myself. The reason men are looked at as providers has alot to do with the fact that men do make more in the workplace and that stems from the days when women were not even allowed to work. Things are a' changin'! Women are more than ever able to provide for themselves and it isnt the old "get married young and pop out kids while the hubby does the providing". My mother even makes more than my father because of her chosen profession. Of course some women in the world go after men for money....that is a given. But that doesnt in any way reflect MOST women....women are individuals, not a general species. You said tradition isnt justifycation....well no one is trying to justify anything. Nothing needs to be justifyed about this particular issue. It DOES stem from tradition and it is just a nice thing to do for someone else no matter who does the paying. It has nothing to do with feminism at all. If you dont want to pay for your girl's movie ticket then dont....it doesnt affect anything one way or the other. There is no rule that says you have too.