War on Terror-why arn't we winning ?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Summerhill, Apr 17, 2013.

  1. outthere2

    outthere2 Senior Member

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    Does a court exist today that has jurisdiction and authority to render decisions pertaining the issues that roamy describes?
     
  2. Individual

    Individual Senior Member

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    "the land grabbers are the brits whole stole it."

    You tell me, the details of how the land was 'stolen', when and and by whom (which individuals living in Northern Ireland) is not clearly defined by roamy.

    And I'm still unclear on what it is that defines an individual to be Irish.

    I'm only asking questions to gain an understanding as I have nothing to gain or lose in how the disagreement is resolved, if ever, as long as it doesn't result in violence on U.S. soil.
     
  3. odonII

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    If you see injustice carried out in the name of your country and you do nothing about it, you are culpable (to some degree) for the injustice you witness. So I ask: What have you done? Broadly speaking, what is anybody supposed to do? The comments I quoted from you (including ... that you will be able to read if you click the blue icon) point to how I feel your feelings are clouding your judgement. I don't know many people that feel it is perfectly acceptable for a person to kill another person purely due to some perceived retaliation. I suspected that this was due to you shouldering the blame on 'us' regardless. All of this seems to be under the umbrella of: We reap what we sow - which is also seemingly shouldering the blame on one side.
     
  4. roamy

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    what have you done ?what did you ever do about the injustices carried out by your country ?ya! ye reap what ye sow.
     
  5. odonII

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    Nothing. I do not feel obligated to do anything. I do not feel the actions of my country have anything to do with me. I have no control over what it does or when. Whom ever I vote for has done something to upset somebody. If another feels they need to blow me to kingdom come, nothing I can say or do will alter their mind. I'm not the one who thinks anything would help.
     
  6. Summerhill

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    Entirely Agree odonII , We are not all lying Brits. Stuff gets done in our name that we do not agree with on a regular basis,as with so many other so called democracies. Also we have a biased press that lies to us ect ect.

    Just as you would resent being tarred with sweeping statements
    roamy, please stop assuming that we are all your enemy.
     
  7. outthere2

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    Individual:
    Why do you "think the Courts would be the proper solution" if you're not even sure if they exist?
     
  8. odonII

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    Summerhill
    Would just like to dissociate myself from anything Karen J has to say...thanks.
     
  9. odonII

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    Exactly.
     
  10. Summerhill

    Summerhill Member

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    Sorry odonII I didnt know.
     
  11. roamy

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    but you don't do nothing.you do worse.you support the injustices done by your country by lieing about the people they have been unjust to.why? because of your own false pride.to lie about others makes you feel less ashamed of your own country.
     
  12. odonII

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    No worries. Karen is fine n all, but I'd prefer my own thoughts to be my own, as I'm sure she feels the same way.
     
  13. odonII

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    I did ask you to point to where I have supposedly lied. If this is a feeling you have regardless of what I say, then I'm unlikely to be able to come to any consensus with you. That, perhaps, being the problem between the British and Irish relations.
     
  14. Summerhill

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    Thats the nubb of this thread though,thats a large part of the reason we are not winning the 'war on terror', the 'us/them' that outthere2 mentioned. We are divorced from the decision making & encouraged by all means to see them as the enemy. Terror attacks on innosents play into their hands too but the decision makers convince us they're our protectors-not the instigators.
    Getting back into the decision making process is the obvious answer but how do we do that?
     
  15. outthere2

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    The more I discuss my ideas I discover my inner snowflake too :)

    That's why party politics is such bullshit. It reduces all political ideas (in USA politics) into only two flavors.
     
  16. roamy

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    and your even a bigger liar.i'd even go so far saying your an out an out orangeman to the core.no not all english people are lying brits.i know plenty of decent honest english people.but ye two are two lying brits.and hypocrits.resentments.what makes you think i feel anything at all concerning people like ye.we were born ammune ta lying brits.probably the most stupid thing you said was that the Irish Republican Army did no favors ta the irish people.the Irish Republican Army gave me an millions more people like me the most wonderful gift at birth.taking our first breath in our own country ,free of british tyranny.my first love was my mother, the fine irish woman who gave me birth.my next love was The Irish Republican army who gave me Freedom!Terrorists no!Revoluntionaries yes!an ye hate us cos ye can'nt handle the truth,that a small handful of people from one of the smallest island countries in the world took ye all on an kicked ye're murderous asses ta kingdom come.the brits!the brittish government,an loyalist brits.when it comes ta the irish,ye people could'nt fight ye're way out a paper fuckin' bag. ye are what ye are.live with it.
     
  17. odonII

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    I honestly don't get the idea you're trying to communicate.

    Nothing to say about my last post (to you)?
     
  18. outthere2

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    ^haha...
    Yes I am culpable but if everyone does nothing about it, injustice would only remain –no change.

    I'm talking about it on this thread in hipforums.

    I asked Balbus that question. I was hoping he could give some insight cause I really don't know.

    Fair enough…

    The point of the story that I was trying to illustrate (I'm not so sure I did) is that justice was not served for the boy. When he became a man he took matters into his own hands (with a suicide vest) and imo justice was finally served. I don't think that scenario would be justified in a non-war context but the thread title is the "war on terror."
     
  19. odonII

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    So, you have to do nothing yourself?

    I can confidently say your point was not made - not as far as I am concerned, anyway. As far as I am concerned, this person can kill when ever he feels like it. These caveats just seem to show how WRONG he is.
     
  20. odonII

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    Again, I am unsure about these lies.
     
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