Violent Protest May Soon Be The Only Way...

Well peaceful protest has worked before, and I think it's a much better method than violent protest. It has worked in the past to accomplish a lot of things.

The problem, however, is that the plan of the elites is too close to completion for them to allow anything to happen. No one cares if we protest anymore. We can show them all we want that the people don't support the decisions they're making, but they won't listen.

If we did sway enough people to get tings done, it would be overturned, because they have a plan and they are going to do what they want, not what they want.

Amerika is soon to come under military occupation and be run like a slave state, and the only way we can keep our freedom is to overthrow the existing government, and start our own based on freedom, love, and equality. The very thing that this country is supposed to be based on now.

The constitution guarantees our right to overthrow the existing establishment and start our own. Indeed, Thomas Jefferson is quoted as saying "A revolution is needed at least once every twenty years to keep the government honest."

I'm not a violent person, and I certainly don't support violence, but if it be necessary for us to take back our freedom, then so be it! When Amerika is being run as a dictatorship and dissentors are locked away and probably killed, heed the call. We must rise up and take back what is rightfully ours: freedom and equality, of which we have none nowadays. Power to the people!

 

I think bush will win the election(by cheating again) and thats when all hell's gonna break loose:X .

I have this weird feeling that the end of this year is gonna be the start up of some crazy crazy shit.

 

yea i feel like something might happen too

 

by 2006 the US will be a police state...iv been saying it for along time, the government is already and has been preparing for it for years...they'v slowly been unraveling a long term agenda. its about to get real ugly around here

 

If you beleive in what you are saying/writing, than the government has already won. a paranoid mind is not a rational mind capable of brining positive results. though our country appears to be digressing, draw from the strength of those before you - the african americans who fought for their rights and the many other groups who have made progress towards just causes.

Your paranioa only feeds the machine that you fear.

 

I'm ready. And yea it does seem like a time where something could easily get stirred up. But I dont have a gut feeling of a clash like you all do.

 

Yeah, that'll get people to respect us. killing them, thats the way.

 

I dont fear the machine as you seem to think. But if it comes to the point where our constitutional rights are taken away and we're locked up for dissenting and not allowed to protest or we'll be arrested and tortured, then we'll have to use physical force to overthrow them. There's alot more of us than there are of them.

And I didn't say I wanted to kill them, I just said we might need to rise up and use physical force. I'm a peaceful guy, and I believe that right now peaceful protest can still make a difference, but I'm not so sure about in the coming years.

 

Just thought you'd want to know that.

 

What do you mean by violent protests? Burning orphanages to prevent kids growing up in the 'slave state' thats due in 2006? Attacking policemen? Tipping acid onto SUV's?


Before you can talk of violent protest you need to know who your targets are, how your going to get them, what sort of civilian casualties your willing to accept.

Or perhaps it could be that your going to end up as the terrorists who are used to justify the implementation of a police state in the first place, making your silly daydreams a self fulfilling prophecy.

 

a notice of warning,
i can not say that i understand the problems any of you, but i can say that i am in a similar situation. in some way i understand the pain that you feel by not being able to voice your opinions, i live in Australia where we don't have a bill of rights and we don't have a civil right to the freedom of speech. all of this said and done, i don't believe that the answer to your problems is to violently act out. i ask you, would ghandi have had such a great influence if he had resorted to violent protest? i believe that we should learn to educate people on the problems with society, and to teach the younger to think before believing. the way to salvation is though learning from our mistakes. sure protesting and rioting may have some influence but, what are we forfeiting to have our voices heard? we are sacrificing our integrity and morals, take the moral high ground and help us to peacefully learn from our mistakes.

and finally remember, "what does not kill me, makes me stronger."
from someone who wants to be heard.

 

i think that violence will and wont work, violence will tarnish the protesting ways. We wont be considered protestors but riot makers and insighting to make a riot can get you put in jail for a while. That is what abbie hoffman was charged with in 1968. I think that yes violence does get media coverage but if the protestors relay souly on violence then it wont work. It wont be a protest anymore but a riot.

 

We almost have to protest the protests. Like here your little spot that you can protest. You cannot protest outside this little area. This is not a protest. If your going to protest you have to get yourself in the streets where people can see you. Not tucked in some neat little corner.

 

i totally agree, protesting is not us verse the right anymore its the right controlling the left and when is that ever worked. We need to step out of the lines that the right has created and into our own lines.

 

Actually it's not even "left vs right" but top vs bottom. The wealthy elite on top, the lowly peasants below.

dhs, I hate to have to contradict you, but if you'd closely research the PATRIOT ACT, you'd discover that our freedoms, liberties, and rights are now indeed under assault. (you can read info on it on many sites, but the one that comes to mind is www.michaelmoore.com)
There are others, run a google search on it.

Dara, Abbie Hoffman was charged with inciting a riot under COINTELPRO operations. He was illegally arrested and charged, and then later acquitted on all "conspiracy to riot" charges. You should watch a great movie based on his life called "Steal This Movie"...it's fuckin great.

Now about this whole violence issue. First off, let's get something clear right away. At recent demonstrations since the WTO Seattle protests, ALL the violence has come from the cops. ALL of it. I have documented footage, and I've seen it first hand. I've been luck (so far). But every riot that's taken place has been instigated by cops...both armored like Darth Vader and undercover dressed like "wannabe protesters" (aka infiltrators, provocateurs).
The issue of "should we be violent or not" hasn't really become a topic for current radical groups. It hasn't gotten to that point yet. The entire issue of violence is still directly pointed at the police and the state in general, and how to NON-VIOLENTLY respond to it. Check out any website promoting the upcoming Republican Convention protests...every single group advocated a "diversity of tactics" and "direct action". They also advocate a strict code of non-violence. Militance and violence are NOT the same thing.

www.rncnotwelcome.org
www.counterconvention.org
www.nycindymedia.org
www.chicagonewyork.net


So for the time being, people attention should be focused on the actions of the police

 

ive seen that movie, and its not that great, you should read his book Soon To Be a Major Motion Picture. Plus the actor who plays abbie in the movie is pro Bush. I also do not think that if abbie was still alive that he would agree with the movie it portrays him as a total lunitic

 

it portrayed him as a lunatic towards the *end* of the movie, but that it was because of what the government was doing to him that made him crazy...not that he was "naturally" insane. It was very clear that Abbie was sane before he was attacked and harassed.
After getting beat up and thrown around and watched and having your phones tapped, and having to go "underground"...I think you'd go a bit off the deep end too So would I.

And I didn't know Vin Donofrio was a Bush supporter. I'm shocked and horrified to hear this. Where did you find out? Is there a source I could look up? Could just be hearsay...

 

Do your homework!

http://www.project-mayhem.ndo.co.uk/homework.htm

 

during the Chicago Seven trial Abbie Hoffman was charged with inciting a riot...



ABBOTT H. HOFFMAN,defendant herein, did travel in interstate commerce from outside the State of Illinois to Chicago, Illinois, Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division, with intent to incite, organize, promote and encourage a riot and, thereafter, on or about August 26, 1968, at Lincoln Park, Chicago, Illinois, and on or about August 27, 1968, at Lincoln Park, Chicago, Illinois, and on or about August 29, 1968, at Grant Park, Chicago, Illinois, he did speak to assemblages of persons for the purpose of inciting, organizing, promoting, and encouraging a riot; in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 2101.

Above is taken directly from the transcripts of the trial.
COINTELPRO is an acronym for a series of FBI counter intelligence programs created to dissarm political dissidents. COINTELPRO may have been the idea behind charging Abbie and his co-conspiritors with inciting a riot but he was still legally charged with that.

 

Given that you CAN protest on this website, i'd say that for the time being, your rights are safe. Most of those web links have a liberal bias to the far left, which is about as intelligent as the far right, not very. Our rights are secure, Americans will never allow this to become a police state, we have way too much pride.