Very interesting notes about 2c-e...

Ok... As some of you maybe have read my concerns that I possibly do too much 2c-e in to short time (5 times in about 2 weeks)...

Here we go...

Some minor(not always) pain in some parts of body during some part of trip and day after also.. but my girl don't get it bad as I (practically not) and she did it 4 times and usually little lower doses...

Body load is nice... But sometimes I feel so cold/hot and of course have muscles twitching.... But one time it felt so terrible I was like - o fuck this is so bad for my body, I had trouble breathing, felt pain and some terrible filling in some parts of my body... And I was nodding and felt like I'm gonna start sleeping, felt tired and at moments I realized I'm totally falling in some kind psychedelic dream I would panic cuz I thought every time that happens I stop breathing(but probably was just breathing very shallow like on heroin).... Also wonder is it affecting circulation and muscle tension...hmm..

But last time my body felt totally fine... So I believe most of bad feelings in body are psychosomatic.. But isn't, in the end, the cause of so many non viral or bacterial disease - psyche..lol

Day after(after first sleep) I feel nice, little spaced out..

Also I notice thinking is affected in some ways... little fucked up.. hard to explain how... like memory was little affected and it showed little in speaking and like that.. but somehow totally weird at the same time I felt little fried and more bright ...

Way of thinking and perception also changed a little, but in different way from lets say LSD..

I feel like my motoric skills increased, I know it sounds funny.... Example: I usually don't play games and every one I played now I was much better than before.. Like in one racing game I never ended up at first 3 places, usually very bad (as I say I rarely play games) and when I played them now I ended up 1 few times...lol... I know it's stupid but I really don't play games so that result fascinated me...

Somehow I felt some function of my brain was improved(before game, and not cuz of game..lol)... So I did online Mensa IQ test(did it last time more than a year before) and I got improved... It showed 137, it showed I think 117 before... My girl also got improved.. also somewhere around 117 and now 130... I don't care for IQ tests but this is so nice and weird ... It wouldn't fascinated me at all if I didn't felt improved even before test...

GI system is maybe also little affected.. Not fucked up..just affected...lol..

Also my girl should have got menstruation 3-4 day before but still didn't ...
Yeah sex is great on 2c-e, we used protection so it is also probably somehow connected to 2c-e....

Conclusion: overdoing 2c-e is very healthy and makes your IQ higher...

Just kidding... All this could be my wrong conclusions.. .And for sure taking RCs often is stupid.. But I just thought I should contribute like one more crazy fucker making his researching public ...

 

when i first got 2ce i did it on average once every 2 weeks for 5 months. 12 trips in 5 months. so not as often as you, but still pretty often. i have to agree with three things that you said.

1. GI system is maybe also little affected
i may have had an irritable GI tract before trying 2ce, but something in my mind makes me think that 2ce has made it worse. i get major gut aches on the comeup, sometimes the comedown, the next couple days...and i've read about it doing this to others, so i'm most worried with this side effect.

2. i have definitely experienced that shallow breathing thing. i find 2ce (dosage 12-20 mg) to be somewhat sedating, not stimulating as some people say. well on the comedown of the trip, when i'm trying to go to sleep, i have felt that i was forgetting to breath every time i dosed off. so this would scare me awake and i had a very difficult time going to sleep. i thought i was gonna stop breathing. could also be effected by my somewhat chronic weed smoking.

3. you also said "memory was little affected and it showed little in speaking and like that"
this is probably a coincidence, but i feel like my typing skills have decreased. i make so many more spelling errors. but i can't attribute that to 2ce. just thought it was worth mentioning since you noticed something like that too.

to be honest, i think 2ce is kinda bad for the body. especially if you do it often. like once a month is still pretty often.


the other bad thing i get from it is a headache or a feeling of tightness in the back of my head. this is where the visual cortex is in the brain. psychedelics obviously effect the serotonin receptors in this part of the brain, but after 2ce it was like i could feel it there. quite disturbing really. and that feeling kinda sticks around even when i don't use 2ce that much. when i smoke weed, i get that feeling in my head. i'm probably just thinking too much.

 

I believe that my G.I. has been slightly affected by 2ce.
Whenever I'm around on an empty stomach it seems to get a little similar to what I feel on 2ce, but no problems when I'm full.

As for memory, I've experienced what I believe to be a slight decrease in short term memory.
Kind of like when I stopped playing my first MMORPG.. my short-term memory capacity was pretty retarded. I think right now it has a lot to do with me coming back from Sweden where I rarely use the computer at all, to using it a lot more here.

I don't think 2ce is all that bad for the body. Probably not 100% harmless, but people have been able to do 50-60mg every 2-3 days for around 2 weeks and been fine. TNS
I think a lot of what happens is over thinking.

The only thing that's worried me so far was my high heart rate during that 60mg trip.. I'm gonna get it tested properly next time I dose high, and see what it comes back as.

 

Yet people continue to take 2c-e ... can you speak to the question of risks or negatives in relation to benefits?
Thanks

 

well think the only benefits would be that it's a good time, an introspective trip, maybe you can learn something or experience something new and different. i really enjoy the trip. it's the only RC i've tried, but one thing i like is that i can weigh out an exact dose, unlike mushrooms or LSD. it's cool, but i wouldn't personally recommend doing it a lot.

 

I've never really felt many of the GI issues many people report with various 2c's, especially the 2c-t-x's. 2c-e i felt had probably the 2nd lightest body load, the only lesser body load i felt was on 2c-d. 2c-e & other 2c's seem to be fairly benign to the body, especially if they are used relatively infrequently. However, there is some speculation that metabolism of these chemicals can produce free radicals, which may be a contributing factor to certain cancers. However, this can be almost, if not, completely negated by taking anti-oxidant (vitamin c would be fine) supplements the day of and after. Though it honestly isn't a bad idea to take anti-oxidants every day.

 

For me 2ce did not have much of a body load. Besides some GI discomfort. That is with doses about 20mg. Unlike other 2cx, I fell asleep on 2ce. Nodded right out. Though never experienced a feeling of forgetting to breath or what not.

Unfortunately there is not much research being done with these intriguing chems, except those who endeavor to take them their self. 2cx's are synthetic and pose an impurity risk IMO. Though never having had a bad batch though. Some vitamins would not hurt im sure. just to be on the safe side for longer term issues till someone gets to research these without impotence.

 

The thing with breathing... I know dude who says LSD sometimes makes him choke ... he says that he panics a lot and can't inhale air and then realizes he gonna die and accepts that and starts breathing again...lol... Of course he doesn't really choke and it's just a part of a trip...

Same with this...I don't say it's something to worry about.. But while I was tripping it worried me...

Me and porkstock41 obviously don't believe our bodys enough to accept body would also panic if we really stop breathing....lol... Wouldn't it be funny(and fascinating achievement) to kill yourself by holding breath too long...lol

@shiva_master ... were you tired(didn't have good sleep night before or something like that) when you fell asleep on 2c-e... Cuz that day I was not totally fresh so I'm sure that it contributed nodding and sleepiness on 2c-e....


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Doesn't the fact that I didn't felt almost or no pain at all and almost any negative body load on exact same dose that caused problems but different set and setting in the end means that at least some pain and shit like that were actuality also hallucinations... Hallucinating any feeling in body is possible... maybe 2c-e tends to cause "imaginary" pain(probably can cause some real pain also) in some(wrong) state of mind...

It's just my theory... Maybe some day real research will show 2c-e is very safe and then you will remember my theory...

UNTIL THAN DO NOT TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY IN ANY WAY...

 

That's helpful. Thanks.

 

double post

 

force of acid, if you took the same dose ttwo different times, maybe the 2nd dose did some harm because the drug or its metabolite were built up to a higher level in the body somewhere.

here is some information about preventing and treating free radicals - specific to 2ce
you can use much more than vitamin c, but that's all i've ever used for it

http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v04n1/04134pea.html

 

I took even higher dose and my body felt not just fine, it felt beautiful... Only bad thing was I vomited.. But no pain, hard breathing or almost any bad feeling in body...

I don't know is it my body getting used to this chemical or is all bad stuff really just an illusion.. I'm pretty sure bad body load is something that happens when you have bad trip on 2c-e... As it feels, to simplify it, let's just say "mind candy" I guess people think it will feel fine whenever you take it and don't mind set and setting and if something is wrong you feel it in body, bad trip manifests just like bad body load... If I'm in perfect set and setting for tripping it definitely feels more healthy than for example alcohol.... and I bet it is...

 

You are right, your body is connected to your emotions somehow.

My friends experienced "heart attack" because he was so psyched up, when he heard police sirene out of nothing.

But when your mood is good, your body somehow melts into whatever you are sitting, and that pure euphoria .

 

I dosed some 2c-e for the first time last night. I tried to use a scale to weigh out 20mg but I'm pretty sure it was more considering the scale would only register 10mg at a time.
Right as I was peaking I felt it was a good idea to drive my car to pick up some weed. I was about halfway there when suddenly my body, especially my hands, felt like they were melting and my breathing got really heavy. This sensation was so powerful that I had to pull the car over. Luckily my friend was with me and I hobbled out of the car and pretty much fell into the passenger seat and he just drove us back to my place. I then proceeded to trip/roll harder than I ever have in my life for several more hours.
As spun out as I was though I was mentally sober. Even the situation with the car wasn't that scary.
I really don't think I'll ever try 2c-e again. The trip was neutral, I didn't get any real euphoria or any conscious expansion like I do from MDMA, LSD, DMT, or mushrooms.

 

For all of you that have the breathing / heart problems with psychs..

My husband does this will all hallucinogens. I have to be there to babysit and assure him that he is ok. He ate 1.5g of mushrooms and when it kicked in and he was seeing visuals he freaked. We went to our tent and laid down for the rest of the night. He described sharp gagged edges in his visuals when whe was feeling as if his breathing was different or heart rate. As soon as I would start talking to him and he stopped thinking about it he got the nice smooth colorful visuals and felt somewhat better, until he either started thinking about it again or I stopped talking.

The same thing happened when we got some supposed LSD, but I think it was an RC of some kind on a sugar cube. It wasn't like LSD at all. But as before, we had the same experience at home when we took that. So we have concluded no more psychedelics for him. But I am going to start experimenting giving him small doses of mushrooms after I get a few flushes. A cap at a time and build it up.

Sometimes all you need is an experienced person or group to be with you, because if you are alone all you will do it think about what could be wrong and loosing your psychonautical experience you should be having.

 

i think this could be attributed to the increased mucus production that is caused by 2c-x chemicals. i've noticed a histamine-like response in my lungs and sinuses [even on low doses] of every 2c-x chemical i've ever taken [e,i,b,&t-2] but it's been the worst with 2c-e. taking a mild antihistamine [claritin, zyrtec ect...] could help this a lot, but i have terrible allergies to begin with so i have to take those chemicals daily anyway so i don't sneexe every 10 seconds.

 

2C-E is weird. 20mg didn't gave me a hallucinations, while 15mg gave me bad trip (almost freaking out)

 

diferent strokes for blablabla. It is different for everyone some in small ways, others in big ways.

 

^Sure^ .

 

I ingested 2c-e couple more times... Evey time feeling more comfortable with it... no bad feeling in body, except maybe irritation of GI..

And about it's effects.. I found ridiculous to compare 2c-e with LSD, at least in way some people do, saying that 2c-e is similar to LSD, I don't find that true, at all... It's like more adult version of 2c-b..... I usually found no mindfuck with it.. Or experience almoust anything intense as on LSD...

I usually took it 15-18mg but will not take it in that small doses anymore cuz it doesn't give me effects intense as I would like.. I took once more than 25 and still it was almoust only visuals + body high.. Also didn't notice that every 2mg brings a lot stronger experience.. 18mg compared to 15mg doesn't bring any more mindfuck just more visuals... But 25mg did bring significantly stronger visuals...

I didn't notice much tolerance... only body high is weaker every time...

It seems like even if it doesn't look like that at first that set and setting affect trip as with every other psychedelic... So that's one more thing... I will treat it more like a real psychedelic and not just like a party drug.. Cuz maybe I discarded it's potential as enteogen too fast..

If comparing with LSD that it makes sens comparing only visuals and duration of trip and things like that..

I found 2c-e lasting frustratingly short... IMO one of biggest minuses with this compound...

And visuals are beautiful.. but not very complex.. Also I would compare in terms of intensity of visual effects , if that's even possible, 18mg of 2c-e with max. 100mics of LSD.. But it's hard comparing it cuz visuals are not that similar and wit LSD you expirence a lot more while enjoin visuals.. and with 2c-e you want more sweet visuals, and more, and more cuz at least I don't find other intense effects..

I will treat 2c-e better and take bigger doses and I hope I will get more profound effects...

I like 2c-e as it is but didn't really experience nearly as much as some people say they do... Also I noticed that people inexperienced with psychedelics find 2c-e very intense and very strong..