Vaccines for children

Discussion in 'Parenting' started by RainyDayHype, Mar 5, 2012.

  1. RainyDayHype

    RainyDayHype flower power Lifetime Supporter

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    I'm a new parent and wow there are so many vaccines. My now 4 month old just had a series of 3 shots this past month and is scheduled for more vaccines later this month. Vaccines make me un-easy. I'm trying to research them but I don't know exactly what all of them are for. I've heard of some people not vaccinating their children. Is this safe? or can being vaccinated actually sometimes cause more harm to the child?? Are ALL vaccines really necessary??? or are there some I could skip? I'd like to hear from people who have skipped some of the vaccines and hope you can give me some information..
    It broke my heart seeing my daughter get the last series of shots =[
     
  2. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Some vaccines might do some good, but the amount of vaccines they give children these days is way too much, and way too early, and is believed by many to be one of the leading causes of autism and other neurological problems. Some of these vaccines contain additives and preservatives, including thimerosol, which are derivatives of mercury, which is extremely neurotoxic. I respect the parents that refuse to vaccinate their children, because most of them have done their research and truly love and care about their children.

    Most of what they vaccinate against has long been eradicated, so I would say most vaccines do a lot more harm than good. I think the tetanus shot and maybe one or two others might be somewhat important, while the rest are unnecessary.

    There were some good sites I once knew off the top of my head, but I can't remember them now. There is a lot of information out there, though.
     
  3. Fingermouse

    Fingermouse Helicase

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  4. GoofyGooberz

    GoofyGooberz Just Bitchy!!!!!!!!

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    I feel very strongly about this. This all started because a doctor falsified his study linking the mmr to autism, which then scared people and now we are here people choosing not too.

    Here in Australia because of people stopping giving their babies theses vaccines we've had whopping cough outbreaks again killing babies. Older kids whose parents haven't protected them get it then it spreads. Babies have to wait till 3-6 months to get protected from this but if they contract it before it could be fatal.

    Now while all vaccines don't last a lifetime as I had to get a whooping cough booster to protect my baby. It made me nervous taking him out knowing that this was out there.

    You don't think others could come back as well if we stopped? I would rather give it to them knowing they are protected.
     
  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Most people that opt to get their children vaccinated don't even know what's in the vaccines. They just know that the system promotes it, and everyone else's kids get them, so therefore it must be safe. I am not saying this is the case for all people who vaccinate their kids, but most. It seems that, of the two extremes, the anti-vaccine people have done more research than the pro-vaccine people.

    Also, I am not exactly against vaccines -- just the amount they give to children whose systems are too young and fragile to handle some of the toxic agents which are in the vaccines.
     
  6. GoofyGooberz

    GoofyGooberz Just Bitchy!!!!!!!!

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    But the Anti Vaccine people's research esp the MMR is all based on on Crap. Andrew Wakefield the Dr had manipulated the results to suit him because he had other interests vested.

    But because of this we now have the issue at hand. which has lead to other outbreaks.

    I know it's a lot for little bodies but I think of what else could hurt that little body.
     
  7. RainyDayHype

    RainyDayHype flower power Lifetime Supporter

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    Thanks for the info everyone. I'm going to continue doing some research on the vaccines. I guess I'm going to stick with getting her vaccinated. I don't want to risk anything with my little one.
     
  8. FlipFish

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    I just wanted to tell you that once you decide what it right for your child stick with it! My children's first pediatrician didn't like that I wanted to skip some vaccines and tried to talk down to me about it at first. Finally she got to know me better and let me do what I felt best. I got her to always take the time to explain the why and what of every vaccine she recommended (and letting me decide if it should be given) instead of just breezily saying 'He will be getting A and B shots today' and not offering anything else. Good luck with your little girl!
     
  9. walsh

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    You're right about MMR, but that was only one instance of the research being wrong. I don't think the current vaccines are harmful and would administer them but that doesn't mean we should close the book and accept all vaccines as being safe for everyone. Reactions such as allergies are quite real.
     
  10. GoofyGooberz

    GoofyGooberz Just Bitchy!!!!!!!!

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    But because if him being wrong and falsified research has lead to things like whoopingcough coming back and making babies die!

    And yes maybe more research can be done but I wouldn't trust it now not after the lies from the first time around? also riddle me this, why is it the last 10 years that there is a problem with them? How long have we been giving these for?

    There will always be risks thats life
     
  11. Meliai

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    The diseases that common vaccines protect against haven't been eradicated, they just aren't common anymore because everyone has been vaccinated.herd immunity.

    My opinion is to do your own research and check your sources very carefully. In most cases its the additives that worry people, in which case maybe there are alternatives?

    If you have a girl the one vaccine I would really be concerned with is gardisil, which they wont try to push on you until adolescence.
     
  12. GoofyGooberz

    GoofyGooberz Just Bitchy!!!!!!!!

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    Exactly and with the few that aren't protected anymore some of these are making a come back.

    I remember there was a Law and Order episode where I had the interesting element of a kid not vaccinated and passed it onto baby the baby then died. But it brought up interesting points.
     
  13. Meliai

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    there are all sorts of situations like that parents should consider. What if the child ever needs to travel internationally... Herd immunity will only protect someone in a country where vaccinations are the norm.
     
  14. GoofyGooberz

    GoofyGooberz Just Bitchy!!!!!!!!

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    True but an informed traveler would know what countries have higher risks. Even as adults going there you need your vaccine again.
     
  15. PEACEFUL LIBRA

    PEACEFUL LIBRA DAMN RIGHT I'M A WEIRDO

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    If ui had children i would never get my children vaccines especially the side effects
     
  16. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    there is a PBS Frontline documentary on the subject called "The Vaccine War" which you might want to look at.

    http://video.pbs.org/video/1479321646


    I can't help but conclude that it is much safer to vaccinate than to not vaccinate, a conclusion that has overwhelming support in the medical community.

    There is a problem of people believing stuff that they read on line that doesn't have credibility. The medical community, however, has also shot itself in the foot by compromising its integrity. It has been common practice, for example, for medical researchers to allow pharmaceutical companies to ghost write research papers for them. Dangerous drugs have been given FDA approval due to political pressure from companies. Further, alternative treatments, even ones whose efficacy is supported by clinical evidence, are often ignored or rejected.

    The medical community has failed to do its job - financial, political, and cultural priorities have often trumped the interests of the public. However, we may face a graver threat from a total rejection of conventional medical opinion.
     
  17. Strawberry_Fields_Fo

    Strawberry_Fields_Fo RN

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    e7m8:

    You hit the nail on the head. Thanks for saving me from having to write a lot more :)

    Meliai:

    There really aren't alternatives to some of the additives in the vaccines, at least none that you can get now. If they change the ingredient in the vaccine, they have to re-test it to ensure it has the same efficacy. The reason the proteins are there is because the virus needs a protein to bind to in order for it to be developed in the lab and for your body to recognize it and build a defense against it, hence the chicken embryo in flu shots and other stuff. The rest of the stuff is typically preservatives to ensure the virus remains in it's desired state throughout shipping and storage.

    Another thing these anti-vac people have to consider, is that even if some of the ingredients would be considered poisonous at certain amounts, you have to take into consideration the dosage. The kid is getting a few mLs at MOST. Nothing in the vaccine is potent enough at that dosage to pose such any grave threat, save for allergic reactions, but your kid could have an allergic reaction to any number of things (are you going to deny them peanut butter their whole lives in case they might develop an allergy?). Tylenol is deadly at a large enough dose, it doesn't mean it isn't safe at all.

    As for autism, there is most likely a genetic link to it. That's not the same thing as hereditary, mind you. But people with autism have gone on to have some of their kids have autism. And in Utah, there was one non-autistic couple that had 6 kids--and ALL 6 of them had autism. There's something going on that we don't fully understand yet, but it's WAY more complex than any reaction from a vaccine.
     
  18. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    The medical community, which receives its funding from?
     
  19. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    As I acknowledge in my post, the medical community has allowed money to influence its decisions, and this has undermined its credibility. The medical community therefor bears some of the responsibility for the vaccine crisis in its failure to uphold its own credibility.

    It's a mistake, however, to reject everything that the medical community says even though that community is deeply flawed. If your doctor told you that you were going to die unless you took an antibiotic, or some other pill, would you not take it? Would you just assume that anything the pharmaceutical industry produces is useless or poison, and that research that says that a drug can save lives must be false?
     
  20. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    hey thanks! :)
     

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