Vaccinations.

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by lode, Jun 1, 2009.

  1. lode

    lode Banned

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    I've had all my shots. Who wants to kiss?


    How does everyone feel about immunizing their children. In Texas people with religious or 'medical' exemptions can send their kids to public schools without being vaccinated.

    I feel that vaccinations should be mandatory for children in public schools.
     
  2. Piaf

    Piaf Senior Member

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    I agree.
    They're mandatory here.
     
  3. TheChaosFactor

    TheChaosFactor Senior Member

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    Boo.

    I'm against 'em.

    Not likely to be sending my kids to public school though either.
     
  4. fitzy21

    fitzy21 Worst RT Mod EVAH!!!!

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    i don't feel that anything should be mandatory
     
  5. lode

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    They used to be much more 'mandatory' here.

    In 2003 a bunch of exemptions got passed for religious or 'medical' reasons.

    The medical exemption though, is usually a crock. Heres all it needs to say.

    "In my opinion, the required immunizations pose asignificant risk to the health and well-being of (name of child). This is a lifelong exemption for lifelong conditions." Doctor's name, signature, and date
     
  6. Topher D.

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    yeah, required state regulated shots going into my arm? nty. ill drink my ovaltine and stay healthy that way.
     
  7. lode

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    Why?
     
  8. IamnotaMan

    IamnotaMan I am Thor. On sabba-tickle. Still available via us

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    I don't really trust the Medical Establishment in some ways.
    Too often its blinkered and deals in flawed statistics or pure "fashions" in practice.
    Or ulterior motives.

    The British Prime Minister was going on about how everyone should have measles,mumps,rubela or whatever it is.
    But refused to confirm whether he did it for his young kid or not.

    I mean everyone believes him.Except for the fact he's a murdering, lying, war criminal piece of shit....
     
  9. lode

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    Vitamins don't prevent small pox.
     
  10. Topher D.

    Topher D. Senior Member

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    but honestly, if everyone else has the vaccination, who are you going to get smallpox from?
     
  11. lode

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    You were in military school. A uniform was mandatory because it promotes a stable environment.

    The kids in public school should be immunized because it provide a safe environment.

    If a parent is absolutely against it, they can homeschool their child and indoctrinate them with whatever crazy thing they want.
     
  12. lode

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    That argument holds up if there's one kid without the vaccination and he never travels.

    Otherwise it's ridiculous.
     
  13. fitzy21

    fitzy21 Worst RT Mod EVAH!!!!

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    i made the choice to attend...and believe me, theres always a way around "mandatory"
     
  14. lode

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    Specifically, parents make the choice for their children to attend or not, despite it being compulsory.

    So if they are going to enroll their children in a public system, my argument is still that the child must meet requirements to benefit public heath.
     
  15. Carlfloydfan

    Carlfloydfan Travel lover

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    If you eat healthy, your immune system should be healthy enough as is and capable of defending against outside threat. An abundance of fruits, veggies, clean water, grains, meat, vitamins, etc folks! Good hygiene, just be smart.
     
  16. lode

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    I eat well and exercise daily. I still get sick once or twice a year. But not from small pox because it's been successfully immunized out of existence.

    General good health is not a silver bullet for what were pandemics before immunizations became common.

    Eating well will not prevent tetanus after stepping on a rusty nail, that's not 'smart'.
     
  17. IamnotaMan

    IamnotaMan I am Thor. On sabba-tickle. Still available via us

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    Its all about the degree of fact.
    Conventional medical "wisdom" isn't always the right thing for someone.
    Like how kids always used to have their tonsils out.

    Drug companies skew research in their favour etc.

    You have to balance free choice, with protection against unscrupulous companies/organisations, against parents who may be well or ill-informed.

    Forcing kids into jabs which *may* only be harmful is a dangerous/worrying precedent
     
  18. lode

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    You're talking about vague medical phobias.

    Not anything specific about immunizations. Heres some specifics from the CDC.


    • a 100% (or near total) drop in the number of cases and deaths from diphtheria, measles, smallpox, rubella (German measles), paralytic poliomyelitis (the most severe type of polio), and invasive Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) disease (once the leading cause of meningitis in kids)
    • huge declines in cases of mumps (down 96%) and tetanus (down 93%)
    Those facts can be researched by anyone, not obscured by shady research. Smallpox isn't a threat anymore, thanks to immunizations. I'm sorry if you don't trust the medical community. Doing your own research is wise.

    Cherry picking research that is specifically against the entire medical community for the purpose of selling snake oil is foolish.
     
  19. BraveSirRubin

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    Not immunizing your children is extremely irresponsible and should be considered a crime in my opinion.

    Yet I don't think that the flu vaccine has much food to it.
     
  20. IamnotaMan

    IamnotaMan I am Thor. On sabba-tickle. Still available via us

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    The problem is that Blair refused to say whether his kid was MMR innoculated.

    And there are numoerous examples of fuckups by the medical community, soley on flawed stats, flawed "customs and practices" etc.

    The problem is that sometimes there isn't a valid counterweight to the pharma companies claims and objectives.

    As for MMR etc specifically, I'd say "fuck knows".
     
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