Universal Healthcare - A Bad Idea

No one is taking money out of my pay check to pay for health care for all those god damn little green men and aliens.
I need that money to buy yachts and cocaine and crack... and to live in my mansion.

We havent even discovered much life outside earth, and already we want to give aliens free health care... what the fuck?

 

i was just kiddin with the post you silly goose

Universal health care is a great idea.

And you are stupid, because you said cuba has shitty health care, when it has the best medical research in the world.

This is why god hates you.

And you exaggurate way too much

 

more on canadas health care crisis

People for national health care in canada keep pushing for legislature to increase funding for health care, hire more doctors, better equipment, etc.

But the conservatives in canada are not letting these changes take place because they are against the idea of national health care in the first place.

Therefore~ It is not the fault of the idea in general, it is the fault of the conservatives in canada, not allowing this new legislature to pass... because if it did, im sure it would work out a lot of the problems canada is facing with their health care plans

 

germany and france are both socialistic countries, and research isnt just about developign new drugs...
socialism is not selfish.
capitalism is selfish, it relies on greed and hording your money when you already have millions or billions of dollars.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3284995.stm
http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y01/sep01/10e3.htm
http://www.cubasolidarity.net/infomed.html
http://www.sld.cu/instituciones/ipk/articulo-ops/Joya Cubana de Medicina Tropical Ingles.htm
http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=3193
http://www.globalexchange.org/countries/cuba/foodAndMeds/updates.html

and what does it matter if im asian?

 

he feels by you being asian, it can justify his narrowminded views because asians are "inferior creatures" in his mind... great links btw mui.

its funny how the conservatives always manage to fuck shit up. central healthcare is a great system if done properly. but then again, so was communism.

 

you're so naive, my dear Karl.

i was stating that it's the Canadian conservatives that refuse to put more money towards the Canadian health care system. That is the reason there are not more doctors, better equipment, etc.

And I was also stating that the universal health care system is a great idea, if done properly, as is communism. It's called making comparisons. You obviously havnt grasped that concpt yet.

You're shallower than I thought.

 

How is capitalism selfish?

 

I am not a socialist so I don't really believe in universal healthcare. I don't think the government should be in control of healthcare. And even if we did have universal healthcare -- which we don't, and won't -- it probably wouldn't be very good.

I am in favor of AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE, which would be possible if you took away some of the governmental regulations and beurocratic BS that makes it so expensive and unaffordable to begin with.

This would be a hell of a lot more logical than universal healthcare, which we will likely never see in this country, having the deficit we have, coupled with the size of this country and the rate of illegal immigration we currently see.

 

Are you kidding?

Universal health care is a socialism vs. capitalism issue...

 

Might it be possible that the system is unsustainable, if it requires continual funding increases?

Really? Is there a "great" example of communism you could point to?

Could you be more specific? What regulations should be scrapped, and how would this reduce costs withing sacrificing safety? Do you see any needless bureaucracy in our current system of countless private insurance plans?

I'm honestly torn on this subject. I think the concept of universal health insurance sounds great in principle, but I'm skeptical about its feasibility.

 

Hucky, read what i say before you post.

I said the idea of communism. The concept of it is a good one. It turned out so bad because of greed and corruption. Didn't you ever study any of this in school? We had very long discussions on this. And every program needs updates every now and then, otherwise it would be always outdated. Jets, space shuttles, boats, cars are all constantly being upgraded and made better. That takes money. Stuff isnt free. Stuff like medicial equipment.

So..universal healthcare would be awesome if done right and had the right backing - financially especially. Our current system is definitly wacked, with $500 to go a block in an ambulence and $10 per tylenol. But when you think about it, insurrance covers most of it, and that money helps those that are unable to pay for themselves.

 

I think universal healcare works .. in Britain people supposedly want choice.. many many debates about drugs used especialy MMR waste public money when they are endlessly having to be explained thet it is perfectly safe .. The media routinely do this every year .

http://www.nhs.uk/thenhsexplained/default.asp

I am very proud of our NHS ..its not perfect , but it works .

I heard some americans talking about health care today http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/programmes/mayo.shtml (its very good i learnt a lot about american attitudes )..they thought americans did not like the goverment funded through tax schemes ... its supposedly a very un american thing . something about not wanting goverment interference , looking after your own out of your own pocket ?? ..

Its peoples attitudes that stop certain things happening ..sometimes its good sometimes its not.. I can understand the size and scale of america .. with its endless variations of peoples attitudes , beliefs and prejudices ..it would be hard to manage a system such as we have in Britain...shame that.

 

I don't believe in it, for 1 thing, I don't want the government running our heath care system and also I think it's unfair to people who would have to pay into it but might not ever use it. Everyone in England and Cabada might get health care, but it is a fact that the American system is ALOT more expensive, it is faster and much better quality, I remember reading in the paper a few months ago how a group of British doctors and what not had come here to new haven county to study the American system to see where they could improve in quality in speen in theirs, I've heard people from England say how unless you're dying it can take forever to get simple things done.

 

A recent study asked both Americans and Canadians how they felt their health care system worked, and how satisfied they were with it. Less than 20% of Americans were satisfied with thier health care system, MORE than 80% of Canadians were satisfied with theirs.

 

I asked you if you could point to an example of communism that works well; I guess you can't. I would argue that it can only work if it is completely voluntary and smale-scale, as in many religious communities.

Is new technology alone responsible for the funding shortfall in Canada's system? How much of this new technology is actually developed under the Canadian system?

Do you not pay for medical insurance? If so, don't you hope that you never have to use it?

This is all anecdotal. I've heard that Canadians frequently cross the border into the US for treatments they can't get in Canada, but I've never read any definitive studies on the subject.

 

No, my mother's job covers it for now, till I turn 18, but I don't plan on having my own health insurance after that, waste of my money, I've been to a doctor once in the past 5 years, and only then because I was forced.

 

I trust that if you ever end up in an emergency room, you'll insist on paying the full expense out-of-pocket? If you don't have the money, will you sweep the floors for as long as it takes to pay off your bill?

 

God forbid it ever happens, I'll find a way to pay it off.

 

Medicine corporations hinder medicine development. If it goes on like this only 1 corporation will stand out and we'll have to buy medicine from them. and that medicine will prolly have an addictive effect.

Even tho this is a super-real scenario, it's possible if they can help Bush lobby and if the US insists poor and IMF addicted countries to abide by the this fucked up law with its huge arsenal.

Actually a very cheap indian medicine for AIDS is being banned because of it's ingredients. It's so stupid. It's like empowering Coca Cola as the sole Cola producer cuz they found the fucking formula!

 

Universal health care is a terrible idea. It sounds good on people because people don't understand that "free health care" isn't free. If we had had universal health care since the dawn of civilization, there would be almost no medicine or treatment today. People simply wouldn't have had any incentive to develop it.

I'm reasonably healthy. Rather than FORCING me to buy the government's policy, I should be able to keep those tax dollars and buy whatever kind of health care coverage I want. I don't NEED the government's inefficient health care, and I certainly don't need to be paying for other people's health care when I'm not even fully covered myself.