Understanding Spiritual Darkness

What is it to be cut off from all and only observe your own will in play?

What are the lessons to be learned from this?

 

mm i dunno... maybe when i do ill be back with god???

 

Are you asking about 'the dark night of the soul'?

 

Maybe.
"It's my way of sticking it to the man."
"But you are the man."
"I know."
"So you're sticking it to yourself?"
"Maybe."

I was asking about what I said specifically (having only my limited will and vision imposed on reality without outside influence (God)). It's an experience that teaches you that God must be good (for you realise what would happen to God if God was not).

To understand and appreciate divine wisdom (restraint) you must have a glimpse of what it would be like to have absolute power. Of course, you never do, but God can convey it to you through a vision.

 

No, that's when you only see God's will in play (what I see right now).

 

According to Indian philosophy God is reality. Anything superimposed is illusion.

It is also said that God is beyond good and evil.

 

So why seek answers from us limited humans?

 

Because God's wisdom and energy flow through us. Some are closer to pure energy, unrestrained in their actions, uncaring of the fruit of their actions. This shows us one side of energy.

Some have their energy more curtailed by wisdom, having seen the fruit of certain actions, desiring the fruit of 'right' action. It is the same with the infinite- that without restraint of wisdom, the infinite would be a chaotic uncaring mess of no benefit to itself or those which it creates.

To truly appreciate the loving restraint of the infinite, you must see it's primal form of pure energy which does not discriminate between good and evil:

"The Tao doesn't take sides;
it gives birth to both good and evil.
The Master does not take sides;
she welcomes both saints and sinners."

"I form the light, and create darkness;
I make peace, and create evil:
I, the Lord, do all these things."

 

I really like this thread. I know what you mean about being close to pure energy and flow... ONly time I ever feel like that is when I fast and eat a raw vegan or fruitarian diet though. I think hindus or many in INdia are pretty familiar with that?

I do wonder... if God is beyond good and evil, is it sometimes proper to let seemingly unkind thoughts and words be manifest through you? IN my quest to be as loving as this earthly possible manifestation allows, this is a recent question thats been passing through my mind. And since Im NOT close to pure energy and dont eat raw vegan often, I usually only allow percievably positive things to manifest through me to keep my karma safe....What do you think???

 

You don't have a choice. What God decides to do with you will be done.

I think God made you think as you think. To show you God's power and love, God causes both the dark (unbelievers) and the light (believers) to rise.

 

That makes us meer robots. Any notion of right or wrong action is meaningless under such a scheme, because we would have no choice but simply be like machines running a programme.

 

SO you dont believe in any free will? God chose to fuck this world up and all these really harsh realities we see so much of all on his own??? I think personally, there is Gods will and mans will. Man can become in tune with Gods will, and we can live in harmony... Or man can say, no i dont trust that will be okay if i take that leap of faith and do what my heart tells me to, I think this will be better... And they act on that, and find it isnt as fulfilling as their hearts path could have been,

 

The thing is, this makes God a meer 'robot' as well. Since God must do what God believes to be best, God is limited in action. Wisdom is the limiting characteristic of God's 'circuits', primal infinite energy being the energy which flows through them.

The notion of right/ wrong action is not meaningless. It is simply part of the 'program'. We have the molded fruit of restrained primal energy flowing through us- this is what our feelings and thoughts are (including the thought of right/wrong action). We are simply witnesses to the energy which lies within us and without us, and witnesses to the wisdom of that which restrains and molds this energy (of which we are part).

 

Yes, I don't, at least for humans.

 

what is thunk here is not thunken by others try to think why and also think about what you just thunk, so that you will try to think again. LOL

 

What you say is correct. But you must see it in the light of one very very imortant statement. That God, who supports all thought good and bad, the source of all things and maker of all choices, is none other than your own self.

 

Yes, but not in the sense that there is no seperate perceiver of God's actions, for God desires to have other perceivers of God's actions, which is why we exist as seperate beings within God.

 

God has no desires.

 

man, first of all, i'm long overdue for a good good trip =P

right now, i see things alot like scarlit rose flowz see's things.
it seems like what is inevitably happening is being wrapped up and labeled as G-d, which i very very much see too, because all is sooo damn meant to happen, and our futures are already written, and known by G-d... but i believe that there is our Heart's dream, which is G-d's will for us - the best life we can live, as we submit and follow only His will, and then there we can veer off that track, do something we know we shouldn't be doing - WE known WE shouldn't be doing (like you said, we are G-d - but that too, i still kinda am unsettled in). i do believe that G-d knows already when we are going to stop listening to Him, if we do, or you know, yatta yatta. I'm trying to understand that He love's us unconditionally, but man, lately, it seems like my G-d is taking away from me the things i really enjoy in life (pot and meat currently =\).

which pulls my thought to kharakov's initial post, finding ourselves detached from G-d... i dont know what's going on in my mind nowwadays =P but, i've had a few experiences were this indescribable G-d says 'ayy, you know you did wrong wrong wrong buddy, here's your sins, fuckkk you buddy, i'm outta here, you gunna have to find me down that road of yours, you know whats good, get workin - or you know, choose not to. peace!', and i just feel like "fuck, i'm going insane, or damn, i really should be listening to the things my 'craziness/these voices/G-d' are telling me to do.

It's all a battle in faith, and it's all funky, but that's all i gotta say right now: it's easy to label everything happening and that will happen as G-d, "god is reality", but, what about the communication with this Divine, and it's relationship. It's true this relationship, and our own freewill in following such direction CREATES everything happening, that has happened, and will happen... and damn, that's G-d =P. but again, what about him leaving us?

 

LOL magman. I have a feeling I know just what you mean about the voices and the confusion... you have one mystic experience and immediatley start connecting all these imaginary dots to make life made up of one big mystic experience, which it can be, but you have to let it flow and stop trying so hard. Just let your focus wander back to the moment, whats important for you to do now, and the mystic and karma will happen on its own time.

What is good is such a broad thing and there are so many ways we can give back to this world, especially in this crazy world we live in today. I guess we each have a handfull of callings though, with our planetary alignments and gifts or our hearts dreams, or where we just fit into this world. And I guess that leaves a lot of room for error if you consider think theres only one path to walk, but I dont think theres ONE right path in life. I mean, there is in a way, but theres many paths that lead to it, or paths of equal quality of love. I think God is content when we travel any path of love with good intent.

Maybe its a blessing pot is leaving you after all if your feeling confused about voices+signs? I bet a lot of people in this forum, myself included, would tell you meat leaving you is certainly a blessing ;P I bet if you listen closer to that heart of yours, that youll hear the same thing. How is it leaving you anyway?

I don't think God or spirit ever truly leave us. Creative energy is ALWAYS there just waiting to be tapped into, like drumming for example if you've ever gotten into that. It's CONSTANTLY flowing and pouring all ths beauty and inspiration, and it's just never ending. And you can do nothing really but stand in a state of awe and pure gratefulness @ the amount of blessings were constantly recieving, and the amount of energy thats poured into us.

But then again, I do feel like sometimes God leaves us to our own means sometimes in life, and puts a little faith in us as well... which I'm not sure is the best move on his part, lol. I think humanity as a whole and on an individual level, could use a LOT of help in many many ways. But spirit/gods/whatevers are definatley there, watchin' over us humans in every way, for whatever reason. Imagine too, in this world, the WORK that must be cut out for the spirits watching over us. If you were one, don't you think you would leave a bright kid such as yourself to your own devices from time to time, and trust you could handle things relatively okay??? Also, don't you ever feel like you could ask something to guide or show somebody else love, and try to make love on your own for once???

You sound sordove like a romantic, not wanting to simplify God, and I'm definatley with you there. Life is magic and amazing things happen all the time, but then again, its nothing special at the same time. I guess embracing the nothing special perspective could enhance our personal spirituality though..and maybe help us with our own healing and helping others heal too...