UN: Male Circumcision is important in stopping HIV

Link to UN site

Ah yes. Good ol' Kevin De Cock. The studies that he is talking about were cancelled.

Thing is, circumcision does not prevent HIV/AIDS infections.

This man is using the cancelled studies to interpret his own findings as he sees fit. There is no evidence that circumcision should be used as a preventative measure.

I have an idea what healthcare and circumcision procedures are like in Sub-Saharan African countries. I'm sure if a study was conducted on men who both had and had no penis at all, there would be a higher rate of HIV/AIDS infections in the men that have penises compared to those that do not. Cutting off the penis entirely would be a great to prevent HIV/AIDS infections, I'm sure. Let's nip and tuck our babies at our leisure.

The UN should not be recommending either of these methods to deal with this problem.

The studies have not taken into account the social/economic/religious/marital situation the men they tested are/were in.

I'm not at all convinced genital mutilation is the answer to preventing HIV/AIDS. It's a cheap and malevolent way to deal with the human perplexitites of the suffering.

 

Yeah. I'm circumsized myself, but I don't believe that will help stop HIV. Everybody knows HIV spreads through bodily fluids. How is the absence of a foreskin going to help?

 

Me and the Mrs watched a program on T.L.C. a few years back on this very subject. The study took place in central Africa.
Maps of AIDS "hot spots" and tribal areas that circumcised and those who don't, were
overlay-ed, the areas that did circumcise were very much lower in cases.
During the program a freshly harvested adult for-skin was sent to a testing lab.( it was acquired in the N.Y.-N.J. area) It was found that the underside of the foreskin does not have the same viral blocking ability as th outer skin of the penis.
They also took a trip down the Trans-Africa Hi way (AIDS alley). They interviewed prostitutes and asked if they used condoms, they said the only way they didn't is if their customers paid them more .
The idea of just having sex with your spouse was not in the frame of thought.
Bill Boards along the hi way with slogans like " Come home clean, use a condom".
Until this kind of thinking is history, there not much of chance to cut the number of new cases.

 

Wow, I knew someone would post this when I saw it on Google yesterday. I think its pretty silly but hell, im circumsized so I won't complain about their findings. Anything to take a cut out of AIDS.

And not to get off topic, but listen to this one. On google news today "Eating Beef in Pregnancy Linked to Reduced Sperm in Adult Sons ".
http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregnancy/tb/5345
Lmao, mmm beef, its whats' for dinner.

 

Thats probably because of all the hormones in the beef.

 

Recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone is a genetically engineered copy of a naturally occurring hormone produced by cows. Manufactured by Monsanto Company, the drug is sold to dairy farmers under the name POSILAC, though you'll also find it called BGH, rBGH, BST and rBST. When rBGH gets injected into dairy cows, milk production increases by as much as 10-15%. The use of rBGH on dairy cows was approved by the Food and Drug Administration in late 1993 and has been in use since 1994.

According to the European Union’s Scientific Committee on Veterinary Measures Relating to Public Health, the use of six natural and artificial growth hormones in beef production poses a potential risk to human health.iii These six hormones include three which are naturally occurring—Oestradiol, Progesterone and Testosterone—and three which are synthetic—Zeranol, Trenbolone, and Melengestrol.

 

Good thought. THIS should be promoted in high HIV areas, rather than mutilation!

 

Aristartle - the studies were "cancelled" because the data was so conclusive that circumcision helps to prevent HIV that they did not need to put any more study subjects at risk by continuing the study. Don 't put a false spin on the facts.

 

Okay, but how exactly does the absence of a foreskin help prevent a virus that's spread via bodily fluids?

 

Im with you ari...i cant stand crap like this

And yes there are hormones in beef and the answer to "how does removal of foreskin (which i personally see as being completely pointless unless for some medical reason) help prevent HIV/AIDS" is- IT DOESNT

Fin

 

Im rather fond of nature
And im all woman

 

All overly round and big and wrongly positioned?
No thanx

 

Personal attacks are against Hip Forum Guidlines. Please refer to them, Nutt.

 

Musicero - the underside of the foreskin has sensitive cells through which the HIV virus can enter. An uncut penis's foreskin will usually slide back uncovering the glans when erect, but after ejaculation, it wlll recover the glans, trapping underneath the foreskin the HIV virus, which then has plenty of time to enter the body through the cells on the underside, in the moist environment which exists there. If the foreskin cannot retract, it is even more of a problem.

A cut penis will have any remaining foreskin in a position located behind the glans (such as when the guy has a "loose cut"), exposed to the air at all times, and the HIV will die, unless there are cuts on the penis through which the virus can enter.

Of course, usng a condom eliminates most of the risk, but not all guys use them at all times.

 

Thanks for answering my question.

 

Instead of encouraging an unnatural procedure on someone, maybe we should focus more energy on sex education, personal hygeine, and passing out of condoms in areas where HIV is rampant. The lack of a foreskin is obviously not going to prevent transmission, and from what Ive seen with inconclusive studies the numbers are not great enough to warrant circumcision for preventative measures against HIV transmission when compared to prevention using condoms. If people are educated and refuse to use condoms, then having them circumcised isnt going to magically fix the problem. Pro-circ folks (why?) are using this against anti-routine infant circumcision folks now, for some reason, and that really is a sad thing. This really doesn't need to turn into an excuse to circumcise children.

And as a woman preferring a more natural way of being, Im not scared of a foreskin. In fact, I'd be happy to see one. My husband is cut and is mournful about it, he had no choice in the matter. There is no need to guilt women using the term "real women" in terms of loving a circumcised penis. Sure, its a personal preference just like loving fake boobs, but if a man told me "I dont love you because you dont have fake breasts" then I wouldnt want to be with him, shortness of mind is a terrible thing. Sexual preferences have no business imprinting themselves on a human being who is whole and natural as they were born, there is nothing wrong with us, we are born perfect. If you want to cut yourself fine, at least you had the choice to, but do it for you and not for potential lovers. Changing yourself and your body for the attentions of someone else is sooo sad. Nobody should feel pressured to, or feel inadequate about the way they were made.

Edit: Im adding this as an afterthought. I skimmed an article explaining that the foreskin held cells that acted as a barrier.. something about the same cells that made HIV transmission through oral rare... but didn't have time to go back to it and lost it. If anyone know what Im talking about, and knows where the article is, please let me know.

 

It's pretty crazy to think that circumcision is going to stop AIDS. That's kind of like trying to stop global warming by turning up the AC. I mean sure maybe a handful of people have contracted HIV who wouldn't have if they were cut, but how about simply KNOWING YOUR PARTNER and getting TESTED and wearing PROTECTION... preaching about cirumcision when people don't even wear condoms is just idiotic. If you are wearing a condom, it isn't even an issue

 

great now american girls are going to be even more afraid of foreskin! i am going to move to western europe...

 

That same study also showed that washing with soap and water after sex was as effective as circumcision. However, someone decided that making african penises shorter was a better plan than making clean water avaliable to those who lack it.

 

The World Health Organization is now recommending routine circumcision in high risk HIV areas. In Europe, and the US and the Commonwealt countries, HIV is less of a serious problem, but it still is a growing problem. If I were a woman, even if I had a contraceptive devive or pill in me, I would be leery of having unprotected sex with an uncut male partner whose sexual history I did not know completely or who had not been tested. It is your body, and aesthetics regarding the "beautiful natural look" of an uncut penis should not overcome the health issues.

In reality, when erect, almost all cut and uncut penises feel essentially the same for the woman, unless the foreskin cannot retract, in which case there is less feeling in the vagina of the coronal ridge of the glans as the penis slides in and out.