Things that brought you back home.

I thought this might be good to poll before I venture back out to LSD orbit.
What are things that 'brought you home' so to say, from being way out there. Back home doesn't mean coming back to reality, just back to where you wanna be if you need a push from something.

For me:
-The instructions in Timothy Leary The psychadellic Experience
-Tool - Lateralus
-Alex Gray Paintings (and following some of the postures in them)

it was probably those three things most notably that got me from 'omg crazy shit' to 'fucking awesome' and perfect comfort my first go with LSD

 

back to a place of happy well-being. as aposed to lost and scared for a few minints.

i havent had anything like that i can think of. my last trip was most up and down. one minit id be laughing my ass off. next id be scared shitless thinkin id never do lsd again,. then laugh my ass off again.
i guess its important to keep busy. keep talking, and dont be trapped inside walls. cause it can feel bad. outdoors feels good.

but i guess oh yeah. i did try to get rid of bad feelings by puttin my mind on video games, one time i picked up a chicks magazine had no idea what i was doing, just wanted to read it to put my mind on somthing, then my friends are like wtf. and i freaked and threw the mag across the room.

 

i bring myself back every time - always to a better place.

in my world there is no such thing as a bad trip.

everything you mention is also an inspiration to me among many others... ram dass, moe, string cheese, and a few good friends... the list goes on...

 

I agree with 3xi. Only once at the begining I had that feeling but than I realized it was me creating it. Since than I also bring myself to a better place always. Music, books, Alex Grey I used before but nowdays I don't need them that much usually I show them to people around so they can be used as an inspiration and as a take off.

 

Bad trip? What is a bad trip?
I definitely know that some people freak out and this and that.... but I would really apritiate if you guys who have bad trips could explain to me what is a bad trip. Can you explain what do you feel, are you scared, confused, lost..... how do you know is it a good or bad trip? I really didn't have a bad trip ever, as I welcome what ever comes my way and enjoy it so much. I would really like to understand what is happening to you at those moments and why. The only bad part of my trips is when I realize that the trip is over, I hate saying goodbuy hahahaha

 

Well, I used to believe that a bad trip is caused
by the experiencer and it is avoidable with thought,
positive additude, your location, people, etc.
Then, I died from eating mushrooms.
You guys want to know what a bad trip is like?
Its funny that you ask Shapeshifter because I
know you are very experienced.
A REAL bad trip, that isnt just pychological
insecurity and/or anxiety?
Pure, absolute, unstoppable Hell.
And trust me, you may be thankful for it when
it leaves you, but feeling the worst physical
pain mixed with the pure, honest fear of dying
for over 3 hours will have anyone shaking like
a leaf and begging Something to make it go
away.
I've had this happen to me 3 times now, and
only from magic mushrooms, and I would say
the pain was worse than when my lung collapsed,
worse than splitting my forhead open, and
worse than when I've been harshly ill.
If I had to describe it, I could attempt to
describe the physical sensations, it was like
a mix of having a flu and high temperature,
and like being electrocuted, with a little bit
of bleeding to death on the side :tongue:
But mentally? Pure Hell, harder to describe
than revelations and epiphany.
Sure, once its gone you feel nothing but the
deepest respect and Love for being shown
this intense energy, but when it wont go
away for HOURS, trust me anyone would
go damn near insane.
What brought me back? Nothing could, but
I kept praying the maha mantra, repeating
it in my mind until the pain stopped.
I've eaten so many mushrooms in my life
that I cant begin to count them, but no
matter how seasoned someone is, this kind
of death, beyond ego death to the actual
fear of physically dying, can happen to
anyone. If I wasnt so paralysed with pain
and fear, I ( ME!!!!!) would have called
poison control or 911 because I really thought
I was a goner. -

 

i have had my share of trips through hell and back on both shrooms and L. pain, discomfort, fear, anxiety, thinking i was going to die or never come back - but i was always able to find a reason for it. i always ask myself why is this happening or why did this happen and i am always blessed with an answer - i always figure out what it was that i did that contributed to the experience - it was always my fault and there is always a lesson to be learned. (even if it was someone i was tripping with being a bad influence on the trip it was still my choice to trip with them and i could always leave at any time to get some peace - it was my fault that i was there with them and my fault that i didnt leave yet)

thats why i said that in my world there is no such thing as a bad trip. what does not kill you makes you stronger. i am a better person for going though what i went through. now that i am older and more experienced i dont have such experiences anymore - i have learned my lessons i guess(who knows what is around the corner). i still have difficult trips every now and again but nothing earth shattering. my last trip my wife and i took three hits each. i am off work because of an injury. for two or more hours of the peak i couldnt take my mind off of the pain or the stress of not having money and worrying that my insurance claim wouldnt go through. could be considered a bad trip but the genus that i am somehow found the bright side to it. i was able to let go of my obsession with the pain and enjoy my trip so i took it as a lesson learned. i better understand pain (not sure how good that is still but know it is worth something) now it seems like i can tolerate the pain more - or at least keep it in the back of my mind and not let it bother me too much.

back when i was having earth shattering horrible psychedelic experiences i knew it was my fault - i knew what i did to cause them and i knew what changes i had to make in my life to avoid such trips in the future - how did i know - because i asked (myself, my higher self, god, all of the above) and i got the answer. no matter what happens you must find the bright side. while the horrible experience is taking place it is always a good idea to remember to breath and clear you mind like you would in meditation. no matter what is happening a clear mind a deep breathing will make it go away. the problem is that clearing your mind and concentrating on breathing can be very difficult for most people when they are having a negative experience. sometimes i would be unable to clear my mind because i had not yet admitted to myself what was wrong with me to begin with. i wasnt willing to learn my lesson. not until i understood what my problem was did the experience turn for the better. for example - about 4 years ago i tripped on 3 grams of shrooms. for a month before that trip i was giving a co-worker a hard time at work- she was always a few minutes late getting to work and always a few minutes late coming back from break- she was a very lazy person, big time slacker - always let everyone else pick up the slack while she socialized. i dont take kindly to these kinds of people so i gave her a hard time. on the shroom trip i felt extremely guilty for being so hard on her. she had some sort of crush on me and while i was tripping i realized how much my attitude effected her in a negative way. i was lying in my bed curled up in a ball because of the pain in my stomach ( i knew it wasnt the shrooms in my stomach making me feel sick - i knew it was my guilt - when i am guilt free the shrooms dont effect me like that) so it wasnt until i realized what i had done wrong and promised not to be so hard on her that my trip got better. i realized that because i wasnt able to walk up to her and confront her about her slacking off that i was becoming more upset than i had to be. when i went back to work i spoke with her about how i felt and we both felt better.

if you experience a negative psychedelic trip you must take responsibility. this is very important - ask yourself or ask a higher power what it is that you did to cause it and what you can do to avoid feeling this way again. if you dont take the time to understand what you are to learn from the experience you are destined to go through it all again - next time it might be worse.

now if anything starts to go funny i know just what to do to bring myself back to a good warm place.

 

3xi I agree with you, what you are describing
is the typical bad trip, caused by what I was
explaining wasnt my bad trip, psychological
insecurity.
When you have a bad time caused by pre
conceived notions and well, basically, bad
karma, this is most definitley your fault.
What I am talking about is only something
apparently gone through by those who
visit shamans, and that is caused by an
external entity.
Wether one believes in this or not comes
down to experience, no other way around
it.
The trip I described where I almost called
poison control was not a bad trip in the
sense that my self reflection needed
cleansing. Call me crazy, but I am under
the impression that I was infected with
negative energy from an external, non
material source.
I doubt nearly anyone will believe that
or even considerate for a moment, but
thats how it goes anyway.
This was not about being an experienced
user, self reflection, mental stability, or
ego related causes.
This was torture, plain and simple. The
only positive thing to come out of it was
that my psyche remained (like you said,
what doest kill you makes you stronger),
and an increased respect for my own
health and existance in general.

It seems that what Im posting now can
potnetialy be broken down into
psychological issues, but please dont
waste your time people. This was
fucked up spirituality, if you dont
believe in external spirits or anything
then this wont apply to your thinking
and rationality

 

^^^

even if what you say happened is the truth. there is something that you did to allow this entity to have any effect on you. this entity came to you for a reason... best you figure out what that is.

what i mean is that even if it is how you say it and that it was not guilt. you experienced this because you let it happen to you. you let whatever it was have that effect on you.

there is a reason for everything - even if we are not capable of knowing what that reason is... well all you have to do to know what the reason is, is to be humble enough to ask "what is wrong with me?"

if some entity comes to you during a trip to cause you some sort of negative experience - it is still your fault. the entity came to you for a reason.

to think that it had nothing to do with you is arrogant.

you actually think that some force under god came to you to punish you for something you didnt do. what kind of a god do you think exists?

 

I dont see how I am being arrogant, but your
reasoning for my apparent arrogance is yet
again not what I said, at all.
This happening to me happened because I
opened myself to receive this.
If I get run over by a truck, is that because
I am a bad person?
No. Yes, it has to do with karma, what
doesnt? But that doesnt mean something has
to be wrong with me, or that it was bad
karma through wrong doing on my part that
it happened.
Negative energy surrounds us constantly,
and it is within us, for the most part this
is called desire. But what I am saying is
that I interacted with some entity (not the
source of God, simply a projection into
the macrocosm) and it was going through
the expulsion and cleansing of its own
karma as I let is consume my mind.
Yes I allowed it to happen. That doesnt
mean it would have happened purely
because I ate mushrooms, it happened
because I opened myself to it. So my
person is most definitley involved, but it
was not my fault that I received negativity,
that is just what happened to be in my
house at the time.
(For the record, my lifelong friend who
lived in the same building was causing
many problems in his own life, and I
can FEEL that this had much to do with
what karma he brought to the building
at the time.)

 

edit... reading this again i dont like that i use the word god...

if i could change the last bit...

you actually think that some force in the universe came to you to punish you for something you didnt do. what kind of reality do you think this is?

i believe in karma. nothing good or bad happens without reason.

 

maybe arrogance was the wrong word... but how that could make you miss my point is beyond me.

you let the negativity into your reality. on that premise alone there is something wrong with you.

 

3xi, you are speaking on a matter than not only
do you obviously not believe in its potential
existance, you also clearly dont understand it
either.
Ok, so your authority tells you that you have
a right to say something is wrong with me
for partaking in an activity that doesnt, as
usual, conform to your narrow scope of how
a human being should exist?
Dude, you dont understand, you obviously
have no knowledge in my religion, its clear
that you have never read anything on or worked
with people/spirits in terms of making contact,
and its apparent that you dont understand
what the Hell word means in ANY of the branches
of Hindusim.
I am not here saying you are attacking my
religion or faith, belief, whatever, but you
are attacking my choice of actions, and this
in no way harmed you OR anybody for that
matter, so as usual, why dont you keep your
opinions to yourself on matters that you dont
understand?
This is almost like if I were to tell you that
you dont know what your talking about when
it comes to LSD had I never even tried it.
Open your mind a little more man, there is
MUCH more going on in this universe than
in what you think is going on in your head.

 

^^^ so you wanted to have a bad trip???

maybe i am confused.

sounds like you are saying that you are too perfect to have something wrong with you.

 

it is very obvious that you do not respect me. it is like you have already made up your mind that you dont like me. before you even read what i have to say you have decided that i never say anything good anyways. you are not open enough to hear what i have to say.

like i already said...

karma - there is no bad or good that happens without reason.

that is not only the way it is in my head that is what is going on in the universe.

enough with the insults. (to suggest that i cant see beyond my own head is an insult)

more to the point is that you are suggesting that there is no way you deserved a bad trip because you are perfect. there is no way that something is wrong with you so you come up with this elaborate explanation that does not have you feeling responsible.

as you already said you did not enjoy your experience... i guess you didnt really want it - more like you needed it... maybe you could look at it a different way. but as usual you are too proud!

 

No 3xi I did not say that, not even close to that.
I am describing an encounter, you are decribing
a psychological lesson.
I find it funny that almost no where on there
forums do you find personal arguments except
where you post.
So I am suggesting that I am perfect?
Wow kid if you could only see how untrue that
is. I never suggested it, and on a thread in this
very same forum I just said how FAR from
perfect I actually am.
But, continue creating scenarios, insinuations,
and false comments that I am supposedly
making. It's entertaining, its like I have 2
lives, one that actually happens, and one
that happens according to how you say it
does!

 

you think it is more likely that some entity came to you for no reason other than just to torment you than it is that you had a lesson to learn.


i can say one thing for sure - you have one very powerful imagination!

 

You know I dont even care to explain to you how
the entire concept of making contact with certain
types of entities works, because for one, it appears
as though you dont believe in it, and two you
never take what I have to say into consideration,
so I would be wasting my time.
I am done nitpicking freaking posts on a forum with
you, your 31 dude teach a good example by quitting
an agrument that is dead to begin with.
If anyone Actually has any interest in what little I
know about how this works feel free to ask, other
than that Im done with this thread and this
discussion.

 

Nothing could bring me back from my bad trip except time and leaving wherever the hell I was. It all started with the insecurities of being in a place and with people I wasn't too good with. Never knew where the hell I was walking with my friend which was irritating and there was no set direction just waiting for the shit to kick in, and it did. I didn't get anything, I wanted to call someone but didn't know the use, just a total freak out. Eventually I road my bike to a friends house and was having trouble making out sentences so they knew I was pretty fucked up I just needed somewhere to stay the night then eventually I came back together.

 

Generally talking and concentrating on rolling a joint but then the weed starts running round and trying to jump out tryign to get on my nerves...