The world is at all times perfect and in perfect balance.

The world is at all times perfect and in perfect balance.
Everything is always in perfect divine order.

What do you all think of this statement?

If everything is at all times in perfect balance, then that means all those suffering people are just living out their karma?

How could someone fully believe in karma? How could someone justify a belief in karma when they have to believe things like a child's suffering is due to their karmic debt?

Does anyone here fully believe in karma, or believe in the notion 'everything is perfect divine order and balance'? Have you ever thought about what that is saying about suffering children around the world?

 

The statement is complete fantasy. The world is in disorder and certainly not balanced.

Karma is misunderstood and therefore non-existent.

 

Nature strives for balance. Left to its own devices, I believe it would find it.

Mankind keeps tipping the scales.

 

You act as if we are alien to this planet. We are natural. We are the Earth's nature. We are all created to be here.

Why is man not welcome on Earth? I hate this attitude that is becoming such a popular doctrine taught to our youth. It's freaking poison.

You're sixty. Haven't you a clue ? I want to challange you to dig deep and reflect: How did you come to think in these terms ? What mediums did you expose yourself to, or what has influnced you to value yourself so little ?

arh.

 

One of the Manson family said that in a prison interview from about 35 years ago.




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Said what ?

 

What about his statement is not true?
Can you refute his statement that nature strives for balance?
And in that regard, yes humans have and do skew the balance and equilibrium of this planet. You would have to be some kind of special stupid to not see and comprehend that.
Nowhere did he say ANYTHING that you are attributing to his post.

Do you also yell at the TV a lot?

 

Why do you says karma is misunderstood? What is the proper understanding of karma?

 

I do agree. Nature does strive for balance. However, nature is competing with technology (i.e. mankind keeps tipping the scales). I feel, humans in the developed world use technological advances (medicine, shelter, crop production, etc) to deal with the Laws of Nature/ natural selection in order to survive.

On the other hand, some may say that this is man's part in how things are suppose to be played out. Perhaps, the human race will be destroyed by Nature or visa-versa or perhaps we will find a balance.

For me, the bottom line, is to live my life the best possible way I can understanding sometimes there is some limitations to what I can do and being comfortable with that. eace:

 

There is definately some 'divine' order in the universe and the earth seems pretty balanced to me. Perfect balance? I'm not sure about that. Perfection is a human concept that seems subjective to me and generally is impossible to reach but not necessarily wrong to strive for. To project it on nature seems irrelevant to me.

 

there's a hell of a lot of horrible people out there. why is it impossible to think that some of them are now reincarnated as hungry kids?

i don't believe in it, but your argument would work for any religion about as well as this one.

 

Which one? Karma isn't a religion.

 

i don't know, isn't karma a hindu thing? i intentionally avoided naming the religion because i wan't 100% sure which one it came from.

 

This is false. People are individual beings that create their own balance among their own lives. With everyone's individuality, although the world may balance in the aspect of life, it doesn't balance in the way of divinity.

Yes and no. I believe things happen to people because of karma...whether it be a learning experience or because of wrongdoings.

I believe fully in karma. When it comes to a suffering child, I fully believe that they will get a wonderful chance at life or a gift that makes their life easier as they grow older.

I do believe in karma, but the notion that everything is perfect isn't part of my beliefs. I do believe that with all of the bad things someone does, something bad will happen to them. I also believe that with all of the good things someone does, good will be done unto them, but to say the world is in a "perfect order" isn't part of the karma I believe in.

I suggest the book "Everyday Karma" by Carmen Harra. Its practically my bible since I don't follow any faith or religion.

 

You need to polish both your reading comprehension and critical thinking before trying to engage in a debate.

 

i honestly dont know, i used to believe in karma hardcore and then i started thinking about the innocent ones that apparently have bad karma according to the belief. The world is weird dude, its too complex for our minds.

 

Do I ? You need not tell me anything other than a rebuttal to what I stated.

Waiting...

 

Ok, I want to get to answering this post...give me a second. :2thumbsup:

I'm not going to blow it off. bbl

 

One mans opinion is another mans trash.. oh well.

 

To continue this discussion, tell me what you all think of this thought.

Something that you may not know much about concerning various eastern mystic traditions is that they are essentially a preparation for learning how to die. This aspect of eastern tradition is most obviously exemplified in something like the Tibetan book of the Dead. But to some degree this is true for all eastern tradition. This is in a way what the purpose of meditation is at its core. It is taking time to pay attention to oneself and perhaps even temporarily transcend this realm to experience a death-like experience so that one is better prepared for death and what to do at such a state.

It goes by the Tibetan book of the Dead that your mastery of self is essentially related to your mastery of dying. So when you die, if you have mastered yourself, you have mastered dying, and in being a master of death, during death, you can properly navigate death to reincarnate yourself to a better place. This is one often misunderstood faucet of eastern mysticism and reincarnation. You do not reincarnate into a better place just by the will of some great deity who rewards you for following rules. No, that is not how it works. When you die, you have complete control over the process and how you are reincarnating, there is no deity guiding you and rewarding you by better reincarnation, it is only you navigating the bardos (the afterlife essentially). If you are completely unprepared to navigate the bardos, what happens? You crash, burn, have little control, you are reincarnated however which way chaos throws you. However if you are well prepared to navigate the bardos from extensive experience spent in deep meditation, and mastering the spiritual self, well then when you die, you can better navigate the bardo to navigate yourself to be reincarnated to a better place.

If you look at starving children in africa by this context. You could say they are inexperienced souls that navigated the bardos poorly. Their current fate is entirely their own creation.