The promotion of meat eating and dairy consumption

This promotion is no doubt a ploy by the heavy hitters of our country and is clearly supported by the government. It has been proven that eating meat not only directly leads to insane amounts of pain for the innocent animals killed on a day to day basis, but it is also wasteful and extremely unhealthy. First off, animals are subjected to pain for the trivial purpose of pleasing the greedy meat eaters in the mindless quest to dine "well". A prime example of how the pompous consumers have had their way is in the veil industry, in which cows are forced to undergo the pain of confinement in order to produce a more tender, lighter colored meat. Chicken and cows are fed growth hormones and are murdered brutally with no thoughts of the massive amount of pain they endure in the process. Milking cows are strapped to metal "milkers" which often cause diseases and abrasions and they are forced to give up what was meant for their children until they become weak and are killed. Laying hens are kept in the smallest crates and cramped with up to seven others to ensure optimal production. And with all of this going on, there are almost no limits which stop the cruelty? This is because of the rich controllers who have their hands in the industry and scare away government officials. They fill the media with lies that meat and milk bring about healthy children when it has been proven that they are in actuality detrimental. Open your eyes to the fact that you are the government's bitch by buying into this. Realize that billions of animals die each year to please your picky taste buds. Rise above the brainwash which and lift the veil which has hidden the true horrors of the industry. Stop supporting the abuse, stop allowing these animals, these sentiet, intelligent creatures are written off as mere products for our benefit. Explore vegetarianism and veganism- open your mind- forget about what the media feeds you, it is fake, but the killing and torture IS REAL!

 

hey man, not to be brash, but shut the FUCK UP. i'm sick of all you people licking peta's balls and whining about meat eating. i have no problem with vegetarians, don't get me wrong, but i don't want to be preached to about what i can and cannot eat. i like meat. i eat meat. it tastes nice. it is good for you, stop bullshitting me. it's okay if you think the cute little cows and piggies are not to be eaten, but there's nothing you can do about it, i'm still eating it. hell, i'd eat people too if they tasted nice. i'd eat shit if it tasted nice. my mind is plenty open, and i feel sorry for the animals in pain, but they're delicious and i like meat.

meaty peace,
stratface

 

I don't think there's really a conspiracy here. I mean people have eaten meat forever. Humans are by nature omnivorous. And I think milk is good for you, I mean, it's made to be nutritious for growing babies, so it must be healthy. Theres no conspiracy, just a large demand for meat and dairy and a bunch of jerks satisfying that demand.

 

I just think the extreme promotion of it is a scheme put together by the government to promote the industry. Obviously we have been eating meat for quite some time...but look at the fact that it is no longer such a personal thing. Factory farms have replaced family run farms and animals are being treated more and more like products when in fact they deserve rights because of the fact that they are sentient beings. I dont care if you want to eat meant- that does not justify the act- me wanting to gamble away my earning on slots and poker does not make it the right choice to make. Also, I am absolutely not a PETA person because i disagree with them on many fronts. I just dont see why you need to be so abrasive about this issue. Here are the true facts about meat eating which you may not have known:
the food wasted by the wealthy nations would in fact be able to end hunger across the globe...the reason that food is wasted because of meat is because it takes about 10x the number of plants to feed one person meat than it does to feed one person vegetables...which is obviously wasteful and is currently a cause of mass deforestation. Secondly, in the U.S. for example, more than half of the water used goes straight to livestock production- a pound of meat requires 50x the amount of water as an equal amount of wheat. Thirdly, The U.S. produces a total of 2 billion tons of manure each year which ends up polluting streams and rivers. Also, by uprooting plants to make way for the swiftly growing meat industry we are contributing to the growning greenhouse effect- which will in turn cause sea levels to raise and mass destruction. Beyond all of this, billions of animals who are intelligent and aware are being killed because of such trivial reasons as to fit your taste. By the way, if milk is so good for babies then why did Dr. Spock (the most trusted baby physician) urge parents to raise their children as vegans?

Please give me a good reason for why we should not extend the basic right to not be harvested and tortured for our benefit to sentient beings. Just because it has become so normal in our society does not justify it in any way.

 

again, you can think what you think and eat what you eat, please just don't try to change my mind. i'm not going to stop eating meat, and believe it or not, i've tried. i attempted vegetarianism for a period of about 4 months, and i felt unsatisified and weakened quite often. and as a child concerned about my own nutrition more than animals who cannot even think, i will continue to eat meat. think about it. what else can pigs be used for besides eating? what purpose do they serve, if not as food? you make some good points about pollution, deforestation, and other negative effects of animal farming and meat production, but you fail to mention all the good things about it. people will never stop eating meat, and eventually we will be eating each other. it won't be long. every society rises, lasts a couple thousand years, becomes corrupt, and collapses into anarchy and destruction. humans are plague, we destroy everything in our path for "the greater good," we are oppurtunistic, and we take advantage of anything we can. and so, don't try to change human nature.

not to mention, many meat eating animals have processes that are painful for the prey to ready the meat for eating. it's not as though humans are being unnatural in our doing anything to make the best possible food. snakes poison their food with a bite, and the animal is digested while still alive and aware. other snakes swLlow food whole, slowly suffocating it as it goes down, and others slowly squeeze it to death. rats will absolutely decimate each other to save themselves. wolves and large reptiles often eat their own young to establish their dominance. have you ever seen a cat play with a rodent before eating it? they spend ours decimating the small creature simply for their own entertainment.

i have no problem with vegetarianism, as i have said, but stop preaching. you're no different than a zealot yelling from a street corner about saving yourself from hell, or a klanny trying to force racism on someone. stoppit.

peace.

 

and by the way, i don't think the government is any more involved in the meat business than they are in other businesses. why would they be, what makes meat so special? the government, i think, sticks with things like oil, trash collection, things we absolutely NEED.

 

stratface, you're not actually 12 are you?

 

Obviously it is true that animals kill themselves in ways which are savage, yet they do not subject their prey to a life of imprisonment and torture before doing so. Also, animals do not have any other option than being brutal and killing in a way which fits there nature- they do not have the ability to rely upon vitamins and supplements or soy alternatives. Beyond that, they do not have the capacity to make MORAL choices as we humans do. I do NOT think we should sit back and watch humans ruin the earth any more than we already have done because we need to step up and take charge. We need to educated and prevent on behalf of nature and mankind. Also, what determines the alottment of rights to beings? You claim that since animals can not think and therefore it is perfectly reasonable for us to kill and eat them. Are you proposing that it would be morally defensable to eat other creatures that do not have the ability to think? Then by that reasoning we can not feel guilty in eating mentally disabled human beings, because they can not think. And no, you can not logically say that you feel we can only eat animals by that reasoning simply because they are animals and that makes them less worthy of being granted rights or consideration. You can not make such an arbitrary destinction-such as the difference of one's species- to determine the rights that one deserves. The only universal mode for determining rights is by relying upon the evidence that shows a certain creature would want rights. I.E. if a creature (human or nonhuman) has the interest to not feel pain (the most basic interest) we should fulfill that naturally. Plants, on the otherhand do not have such an interest. How is it just to simply say that because these beings are of a different species that makes them automatically less deserving of certain basic rights? Is that not what the KKK claims, that ALL blacks should be deemed lower than rights even though many blacks far surpass whites in intelligence levels and like traits. The same thing is claimed by sexists, that women are automatically deserving of less consideration because they are of a "weaker" sex. I feel that this type of reasoning is destructive and illogical. Great apes, for instance are known to be able to communicate, THINK, and learn languages, they can fashion tools and construct shelters- but simply because they are "animals" and clearly more aware then certain human beings- we do not consider the fact that they can feel pain and think on levels which exceed those the humans can feel. I am not trying to impose my beliefs on you- just reveal the truth which has been so sucessfully hidden about the horrors of the industry

 

Are you serious? A goverment ploy? Its called ads paid for not by the goverment but rather the industry.


As for how animals are raised and killed well seems you have chose to select just a few places and thats it. Most beef is actually free range, very few places like the state of CA run pen cattle as it actually is quite costly unless you live in an area that land value is very high. Chickens again what a joke, I have seen personaly several laying facilities and never was there more than 1 chicken per cage and it was done so to proctect from disease.

Any industry has its negative side in the fact farmers who grow produce polute the streams and kill wild life daily to yield higher crops. They use genetically altered seed that grows larger faster plants. The soil damage done by farmers is very damaging to fish and other life in rivers streams and creeks.

As for pain for tha animal, well most up to the last moments of thier lives around MO seem to live a pretty care free life. As for killing them to eat and produce leather and such, well could they survive in the wild on thier own?

 

WRONG. GOT MILK? is supported directly from government funding as are a few of the cheese ads. Even if it were one chicken to a cage- you dont see a problem with that confinement? Chicken should not be caged because they need to dustbathe- to clean their feathers. If they are unable to do this they often attempt to on the metal cage and cut themselves. Beef is technically a free range asset- the main problem with beef is how it is shipped to slaughter. There is no law against shipping the cattle without feed for over 24 hours and as you can imagine that is not a fun experience by any means. Farmers do pollute- but as a meat eater you are contributing 10x to that pollution as 10x the amount of plants vegetarians need to eat go in to raising cattle and other animals. The majority of animals absolutely do not have pretty care free lives (i would say certain cattle have it OK until that "trail of tears" trip to the slaughterhouse) animals such as cows and hens endure far too much pain than is necessary. I just urge you to look into the industry a bit deeper than what you see in MO, because i doubt you have visited a large chain factory farm or read into the actual details of what goes on. Absolutley not could they survive in the wild on their own- and they would phase out if the need for meat would decrease because WE have created them to fit our needs. However, if they meat industry were to collapse- it would open up vast amounts of rainforest land which would allow 10 fold the number of animals to live. I guess this issue is really based upon a specific moral code, but I think of you read up a bit, maybe checked out a book- you may agree with me.

 

Yeah, the government funds all kinds of big businesses and not many of them are actually good for the consumer. That's the way the country works. I agree that meat and dairy that are subjected to these cruel conditions can't be healthy. The growth hormones aren't naturally occurring in the animals, and now they're experimenting with gene splicing. There are also naturally occurring chemicals that are released by the confined and mistreated animal. It has been proven that animals in these conditions are prone to depression and that a chemical is released into the bloodstream of the animal altering it. It's not clear what effect, if any it has, but it's being studied so I'd say that it has some effect.
These aren't problems associated with meat and dairy consumption though. These are problems associated with the industry. If you want meat that is treated humanely, raise it yourself, or buy organic meat (meat that is allowed to free range and not subjected to injections), or hunt your own meat.

Not that I'm opposed to vegan/vegetarians, but how many vegetables do you suppose you have to kill a day in order to survive? 20-30? And how do you know that these vegetables can't feel, or aren't sentient? Don't they thrive when shown love? The attention a plant gets is directly related to their overall health. Studies also show that plants that are yelled at while given the same nutrients and access to light did not thrive. Plants have been observed to do many amazing things. Before you base your argument for veganism on the pain and suffering of the animals...fully research the possibility of pain and suffering of plants.

I think it's easier for people to dismiss this argument because plants are different form us. They can't see the way we do, or feel the way we do so it doesn't matter what we do to plants, but animals are alot like humans, so we can get outraged at their mistreatment. Don't get me wrong, I'd shut down every farm in the industry that treats their animals inhumanely, just like I'd shut down every damn carrot abusing son of a bitch out there if I could. Seriously though...think about it

 

The "Got Milk" ad is paid for by the dairy farmer at a rater of roughly .02 per gallon of milk. The Goverment currently forces all dairy farmers to take part in it and several have lawsuite filled to challenge it.


http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=16002

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/24/got.milk.suit.ap/index.html

And for the "Beef its whats for dinner" again the farmer is being forced to pay for this by the goverment.

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/analysis.aspx?id=15308

http://www.extension.iastate.edu/AgDM/articles/mceowen/McEowJuly05.htm

Seems we should protest the govement for acting like the mafia in old town NY and Chicago. Force people to take a service they do not want.

 

why, is my opinion worth less if i'm younger than you? do i not have the same rights as a person because i am not fully developed? because i can not think on the level of an adult? disregard my age and think about what i said as you would if someone your age was saying it, okay man?

 

Cryptoman:
You do bring up a good point my friend, and I will not be the typical vegetarian who would dismiss it as illogical. Although an overwhelming amount of scientific evidence points to the fact that plants can not feel pain- it is certainly possible by a small stretch of the imagination. Though scientists know that plants lack a central nervous system as well as cell membranes which allow a being to be sentient, there is obviously a miniscule (yet possible) chance that they can in fact feel pain. However, if you were truly against causing main to plants- and thus obliterating the greatest amount of pain- you would become a vegetarian. The reasoning behind this is that animals need to be fed 10 times the amount of plants needed to feed a human. So basically by eating meat you are not only contributing to the death of a surely sentient being but also to the death of 10x the number of potentially sentient plants. Obviously vegetarianism is the rational way to prevent the greatest amount of pain, and promote a normal lifestyle for the greatest number of beings.

 

for the love of god, now PLANTS can feels pain? if they have no nerves, they feel no pain. period.

now, gratefulvegan, i have a couple of questions for you, if you'd be so kind as to answer them, because i'd like to better understand where vegans are coming from.

1.if you are against eating eggs, does that mean you're also against abortion? (not in general, you personally.)

2.why are you against eating eggs, when they are unfertilized? you're not killing something if it was never alive.

3.why are you opposed to milk production? as far as i know, it's painful for the cows NOT to be milked.

4.why are you opposed to eating such things as shellfish and lobster, which have no central nervous system and can feel no pain?

5.do you actually like the taste of soy products? both me and my only vegetarian friend think they are awful.

6.would you eat meat if it was not produced under the conditions you described, for instance, if it was grown by an independant farm that grew all it's food free range?

7.do you like the taste of meat, and are just against it for other reasons, or do you think it's tastes bad?

8.do you kill bugs and vermin that get into yuor residence?

thank you if you will answer these, i'd like to know a bit more about your ideals as a vegan.

 

So the issue of the goverment funded add for "Got Milk" and "Beef its whats for dinner" is proved not to be goverment funded but rather goverment mandate the the farmers pay for the ad no matter if they want to or not

http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=16002
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/24/got.milk.suit.ap/index.html
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/analysis.aspx?id=15308
http://www.extension.iastate.edu/AgDM/articles/mceowen/McEowJuly05.htm

Now we address the issue of farmers who raise crops and the fact that it actually is very harmfull to the enviroment and fish and wild game:

First the silt the gets into the streams from more and more farmers expanding thier crop land and errosion that moves into the areas fish need to survive.

The expansion of crop land that it cuts into the habitat of the wildlife.

Farmers control of insects poisons small birds and animals.

Farmers control of wildlife that eats thier crops

Insecticides that get into the water system

No matter what you eat due to the population of the world negative impacts happen thru the need to feed people. Hell they claim now that the produce that is gron these days does not even provide nurishment enough without the needs for suppliment vitamins due to the changes in seeds to yeild quanity and color not value of nutrients.

As for the fight about vegis feeling pain when harvested ect well lets face facts, the plant normally does die when harvested but feelings, who knows but would take your side and say it does not feel a thing.

I want to invest my time more concerned about changing goverment control over our lives and invasions of property.

 

damn straight.

 

1.if you are against eating eggs, does that mean you're also against abortion? (not in general, you personally.)

Yes, I am absolutely pro-life. Not just pro-human life.

2.why are you against eating eggs, when they are unfertilized? you're not killing something if it was never alive.

I am against eggs because of the process by which they are harvested. It is a truly brutal process in which hens are subjected to ridiculous amounts of pain for no real reason except for producing as many eggs as possible. Also, as a direct relation to the egg laying industry, millions of baby chicks (males) die each year because they are seen as useless to the laying industry.

3.why are you opposed to milk production? as far as i know, it's painful for the cows NOT to be milked.

I am opposed to milk production because we basically rape these cows to promote optimal milk production. Ever heard of artificial insemination? It is not natural, yet we use it to promote milk production. As my animal loving friend explained, milking is a painful process and baby calves are supposed to complete it. Also, it is related directly to the veil industry- as male calves are often sent off to confinement to fulfill the greedy needs of the ignorant masses.

4.why are you opposed to eating such things as shellfish and lobster, which have no central nervous system and can feel no pain?

First off, there are many tests which provide evidence explaining why lobster do in fact feel pain- look into it further. Also, as Peter Singer explains- one can not be absolutely sure that shellfish do in fact feel pain- but since we can never be clear we should attempt to avoid them.

5.do you actually like the taste of soy products? both me and my only vegetarian friend think they are awful.

I love soy. It is a wonder food.

6.would you eat meat if it was not produced under the conditions you described, for instance, if it was grown by an independant farm that grew all it's food free range?

No, the death would be painful and the life still unnatural and policed. Also, as i explained earlier if you bothered to read it- eating meat is WASTEFUL as hell, I would rather ralley together to stop world hunger than enjoy a steak.

7.do you like the taste of meat, and are just against it for other reasons, or do you think it's tastes bad?

I used to enjoy meat when i was young and ignorant. However, now i realize that it is rotting flesh and i would absolutely never eat it again. I hate the taste- but I am against it for moral reasons.

8.do you kill bugs and vermin that get into yuor residence?
No. I do not kill bugs and vermin because i am not too lazy to get up and walk them outside.

 

Now we address the issue of farmers who raise crops and the fact that it actually is very harmfull to the enviroment and fish and wild game:

First the silt the gets into the streams from more and more farmers expanding thier crop land and errosion that moves into the areas fish need to survive.

The expansion of crop land that it cuts into the habitat of the wildlife.

Farmers control of insects poisons small birds and animals.

Farmers control of wildlife that eats thier crops

Insecticides that get into the water system

No matter what you eat due to the population of the world negative impacts happen thru the need to feed people. Hell they claim now that the produce that is gron these days does not even provide nurishment enough without the needs for suppliment vitamins due to the changes in seeds to yeild quanity and color not value of nutrients.

As for the fight about vegis feeling pain when harvested ect well lets face facts, the plant normally does die when harvested but feelings, who knows but would take your side and say it does not feel a thing.

I want to invest my time more concerned about changing goverment control over our lives and invasions of property.


For the last time man...BY EATING MEAT YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY PROMOTING THE EXCESS PRODUCTION OF CROPS 10x MORE THAN A VEGETARIAN DUE TO THE AMOUNT NEEDED TO FEED THE ANIMAL! PLEASE REALIZE THAT, IT'S NOT A HARD CONCEPT.