The oldest religion in the world - that is islam

Many of you are probably thinking I must be very deluded or crazy claiming that the oldest religion is 1400 years old but I'm sure many christians and jews would agree with me on this one. This is my way of logic:
Christianity comes from the name Christ, Buddhism for Buddha, Hinduism for the land of india and Judaism rom Juda or Judea but what does islam mean?

Its not a person nor is it a place but rather an action, islam means "submitting to God" this in sincerity and peace. This is why I claim Jesus(peace be upon him) was a muslim(yea thats right, he submitted right) and the same for all the prophets and this is why the quran says (interpretation of the meaning):

O people of the Scripture! Why do you dispute about Ibrahim(Abraham), while the Tawrah and the Injil were not revealed till after him Have you then no sense

Verily, you are those who have disputed about that of which you have knowledge. Why do you then dispute concerning that of which you have no knowledge It is Allah Who knows, and you know not.

Ibrahim was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanifa and he was not of the polytheists [Quran, Imraan]

So what basicly happend was that the religion that first came down was one, the belief in one God who should be worshipped without partners but people kept changing it(adding a few gods here and there), and prophets kept being sent to get the message back on track.

So il end with saying that I testify like Noah, Abraham, Jesus and Moses did(peace be upon them) that my Lord is one lord and that my religion is submission.

So if they dispute with thee, say: "I have submitted My whole self to Allah and so have those who follow me." And say to the People of the Book and to those who are unlearned: "Do ye (also) submit yourselves?" If they do, they are in right guidance, but if they turn back, Thy duty is to convey the Message; and in Allah's sight are (all) His servants[Quran 3.20]

 

so the bible is real it just occured after 600 C.E?

 

Hve you failed to see the point?

 

i get you adam...

when i was reading about islam [which was acctually the first faith i started reading up on when i started my mini-quest just over a year ago] i read that too...

its kind of like, a muslim does not mean you have to follow Mohammads teachings, you have to submit yourself to the will of the Lord, so then animals would then be muslim, as well as everyone and everything that submits

i have a question though, is it islam that means submission, or muslim, or is it the same using circile logic...eh, im confusing myself with this post, ill stop while im ahead

 

Yep, the animals, the sun and the gravity force, all of them are muslim. By submitting we follow our prophet though since the Quran says;

Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."[3.31]

But you are correct in a way though since muslims existed prior to his coming, Paul when he persecuted "christians" called them "the people of the way" in the NT, many of which i see as muslims.

Islam is submitting to God, muslim is one who does it. Arabs use a suffix instead of a prefix, we dont say tavelerer but mutraveler(musafir, the word safari comes from this acually)

 

ok, interesting

 

But does this also mean that people who submit themselves to God, but are not muslim because of some reason, can go to heaven as well? I believe that Islam is positive about Jews and Christians, as them being 'People of the Book', right? But I don't know if this means they can also be 'saved' (that's not the right word but I think you know what I mean).

 

In a way yes and in a way no.

Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.[2.62]

The meaning of this and other verses like it is very simple and clear. We believe in a message of consensus in which people are united under one way and not made into sects and divisions. The way has always been submission though its faces and laws have been different. So yes a jew who followed their prophet during his time are those who fall under this verse but as soon as they denied the Messiah they became disbelievers, denying on prophet is like denying them all.

Albeit, we have nothing called a "guarante" in islam as many sectst these day promise. The words of the prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) was that the first in which the fire of hell will be started are those who preached the message(scholars) but with a bad intention. So yes there will be alot of muslims in hell and alot of jews/christians in paradise at the same time, its not the name of the religion, it is how it was practised during its time.

 

what about those that submit themselves to a different god than yourself?

 

Well that would be contrary to the most fundamental part of islam, that is the worship of one God. The Creator and Substainer of all, so how could we ever dedicate our worship to someone else?
Just wondering...

 

There is but one God.

 

Using your logic, I could just as easily make up a religion... let us call it "Bullshit". In ancient torgahonomipodian "Bullshit" means "believing in God". Therefore, everyone believed in God, all the prophets and such... so hell.... I now proclaim Bullshit to be the oldest and most powerful religion on earth!

 

Thats the spirit, your thinking like a muslim already : )

But seriously, just by pure logic we can exclude the polytheistic views. If we embrace the concept of god, then its impossible for a universe to be stable and still have many gods running around without contradicting themselves.

What happend and still happens is that people have a strong fashion of worshipping what they view as righteous people. It first starts out as just some pictures/idols to honor this person then all of a sudden (a few generations later) people are praying to saint this and saint that and even to people who didn't want to be worshipped (such as Christ and Siddharta). There are no other gods, most of the teists believe in a Supreme God, the question is if they worship Him alone or not

 

Hey.. I had a reason for writing that christians and jews wouldnt in reality have much against this, I mentioned these groups since they believe in a message of monotheism and those who do not cannot accept a divinely inspired message anyway.

 

This philosophy is part of what I love about Islam: the idea that people before Muhammad like Abraham and Moses were Muslims, simply meaning that they followed the one Lord God. I find that Christian doctrine sometimes has problems addressing all those who came before Jesus: what "religion" they are and whether or not they are saved (since they came before Christ).

Very intriguing...

 

Are you saying that Jews and Christians are Islamic?


That's an interesting random thought that you had though!

 

Some were yes...

"...and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant [Quran 5.82]

And the diciples of Christ were muslims.

"And behold! I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Messenger: they said, 'We have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to Allah as Muslims'[ 5. 111]

Remember the famous prayer christ teached his diciples in two places of the NT. Well the phrase : May your will be done on earth as it is in heaven can basicly be used to decribe islam : )

 

Islam is not the oldest religion, dude

 

ALL RELIGION IS BULLSHIT!!!..you must be a George Carlin fan

 

i just think you might not get what he's trying to say...well did say