watched a documentary last night comparing the christian son of God to the muslim propeht Isa (sp?). was very interesting and i didnt realise the similarities between the two religions... i just cant believe the current problems between the two religions (or cultures surrounding them) (sorry if this is sterotypical i did not mean for it to be) when the two religions say basically the same things (not only regarding jesus but his teachings and even the fundamental beliefs of the religion(peace, love, worship of the SAME God) i particularly found the story of Isa's crucifixion (or what appeared to be his crucifixion ) fascinating and to be honest i would consider it more plausable than the christian account...why would God/Allah let his son or his messiah die in such a barbaric way. x x x
Islam does believe that Jesus was a messenger of God and that he will come again at jusdgement. if Islam believes jesus was just " another dude" then why did Allah according to the Qur'ran bring him up into heaven before his crucifixion and put judas in his place? Personally i think he must have been pretty special to be saved by Allah... x x x
no nor am i im just trying to highlight the similarities and the common ground that both religions have...if we begin to understand then maybe the hate (on both sides) will stop...x x x
all im trying to show is that jesus is highly regarded in both faiths he was a messenger of god in anyway you look at it... i know where your coming from im probably just not writing this stuff in the right way ....x x x
i did actually mean in my original post to talk about the differences and controversy over christs death... eg. the muslim idea that christ did not die and therefore did not save mankind does spark controversy amongst christians as it is the basis to their belief... x x x
hi ! you do got a point both.. Jesus (peace be upon)-(and this is for respect, and ofcourse it is not hard to say neither it would take a time).. he is the same Jesus in both religions... and the view on crucifixion is the main difference between Islam and Christianity.. but as they(christians) beleive that he is a son of God and he has been sacrificed for human salvation... what is their source of such knowledge and beleif? Jesus peace be upon him was sent with miracles, such as healing, some who beleived in his deivine power (devine because it is a God given power) beleived in the message he gave and followed him. others thought it is of magical sort so he is a magicien! most people wanted him (they wanted him) to be trialed and crucified and he got humiliated by them. and he was betrayed by one of his closest deciples. if he is a son of God and he wanted to sacrify him for mankind then why humiliating him? though think he is a son of God they don't think of Mary his mother (peace be upon them) to be God's wife... if God has a wife then the world is ruled by to Gods! husband and wife gods and their children.. or has it happened for the one true god to have only one son from no wife?!! did Jesus peace be upon him ever said such a thing him self?.. how could such knowlege be true? it is really a strange way to respect Jesus peace be upon him in his life by betryial, trial and then crucifixion and in his death by missing his true message as a messenger of God. he came to say worhip the one true God and they worshiped him along!.
The Muslim Jesus would be the Mahdi. In Islam, the end days are marked by his return, just as Jesus is to the Christians. As a matter of fact, Muslims see Jesus as being the slayer of Dajjal, the Muslim anti-Christ. Afterward, both Jesus and the Mahdi will lead their respective followers to the true path, as both religions have strayed. x
Exactly, brother M.Saif, if Jesus was Allah's son then Jesus (peace be upon him) would be a god, Allah says that you must be married to have sex, so Mary (peace be upon her) would have to Allah's wife, that is three gods, also Jesus (peace be upon him) had siblings, although they were born of natural means they still would have a god for a mother being half-gods, so when you think about it even to a Christian the Muslim point of view is more realistic, I am not trying to offend anybody, if I did I apologize. Salaam
esteemed sir, what Injil do you mean?! I do beleive In Jesus peace be upon him as a prophet and messenger of the only God.. and I do beleive in the Injil God given him.. and I beleive the Injil in hand underwent many changes through history by preasts so the now considered devine book includes human interference which made many differences in the book.. in the true book Jesus peace be upon him couldn't be addressed as a God but only as a human being, a messenger of God.. the matter of crucifixion is all told after him which means it is of human source not a divine knowledge.. I don't think that Jesus peace be upon him wrote of his own allaged crucifixion before he died... it is a human told stories so what is built on it depends of human tod stories the whole idea of sacrificing and salvation and God's son is all human make up.. that is why we think that christians were misleaded and Muhammad peace be upon him was the last messenger to relight the way... my second point that you commented about.. does sacrificng the son of God and crucifying him required all the humiliation accompanied? he also to told that the salvation was to all people present and past... many generations then after Adam peace be upon him who knew not about Jesus peace be upon him.. what the need to send them messenger then? imagine: a son of God, his mother is a human, and she is not a God's wife, his eldest grand father then is human too (Adam peace be upon him).. don't you feel that there is something wrong here.. does God needs a wife or a son? the tow words don't even go to go togather (God, needs)..! the third point when you about love and think about it you will find that we love Jesus peace be upon him much better than do the christians... and we are told to love each other the best way... and ritual of Islam are very easy and you are not required to do what you can't and more it teaches you to behave right for your own good and for and among the others.. and you don't just beleive in God and his books and meesengers and let all life's word to your little mind.. God knew and that is why he was always there.. all respect brother..
thats what perplexed me about the christian story...how could jesus' own father (in the christian faith) allow his son to go through the humiliation of the worst death imaginable at the time...if God is devine then He would have just stopped it in the way He did in the Qur'ran... i find the muslim story much more plausible the idea that a faith is built on someones self sacrifice makes the christian God seem very Human...which God should not be seen as...He is supposed to be devine... x x x
not forgetting the Bible^^^ "A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed." 21:15, just one example x x x
dears brothers if you don't see the picture of the loving and peacful God, where do you think the problem lies? in the deivine books? you may know part of their history and you may know that many changes were entered in Torah and Injil.. or do you think it's in the people who deal with these divine books including Qur'an? a little look around at how divided christians and muslims into themselves will tell of who could have been behind such a dreadful and hideous picture of God. and I assure you he is not? Yes say yes indeed about humiliating part because God is what you said... the stroy is the crucifixion.. that is the point of the called salvation... humiliating is another story... they were the people who meant to crusify and humiliate Jesus be upon him. and we do beleive that the one that was humiliated andcrucified was certainly not Jesus peace be upon him it' only so apeared to them.. God saved his Messenger from going through all of that.. and this may change even a little the picture of God in your mind if you do beleive it.. of the other part.. we do beleive as do the christians that Mary peace be upon her gave birth of Jesus peace be upon him with no sex involvement.. but we do beleive too that there was no father.. not God, not any.. God was able to create Adam peace be upon him from nothing why wouldn't he be able to create Jesus from Mary peace be upon them both without a father? is that beyond his ability? if not then that near to reason than the idea of God's son which was invented originally by people and not certainly told by Jesus.. I do realize that my brother.. christians do beleive he is a son of God.. but we consider them wrong because of that... and Jesus himself didn't tell that he is God's son.. someone else we do beleive, put it that way and misleaded the good christians.. and we don't hate them for that but we rather wish them to see the truth we see becuase God could only be one for all of us and for all mankind..
the similarities between islam and christanity (and judaism - they stopped at moses) goes beyond jesus (and the christians stopped at him) ..moses, abraham, solomon, noah ..them all and adam (peace be on them all) there are more chapters/verses in the Quraan on Isa than Mohammed (peace be upon them)
what worse man!! I guess we don't look at the same picture still.. the picture in my side looks like the following: God the only true God "we call him Allah", send a human (not a son)messenger unto children of Israel. the human messenger was called Jesus (peace be upon). and that is to tell him to worship only the true one God (Allah). and was sent with legislation (Injil) regarding them. he was enhanced by miracls as signs that God was sent him and to proove that he was not a liar. most people in that time didn't beleive him and wanted him to death. the few who did beleive in him (being a messenger of God), were not able to protect him not even from inside them where came Judas the betrayer of Jesus. when they came to arrest Jesus peace be upon him, God the almighty, made them by resemblance arrest his betrayer as a punishment, and as to save his human messenger(not a son). and if you read the bible the betrayer who was thought to be Jesus be upon him couldn't even speake to defend him self not a word!. nad Judas is not mentioned to be seen in the trial scene nor in the crucifixion's. in the modern language the bad guys tried, humiliated and crucified the man they thought (and not for certain they had doubts about him till last moment of their life) he was Jesus be upon him, at the time the few people(good guys) who beleived his message were weaker than to help him. the bad guys were against Jesus peace be upon him and his message but the christians today stand in the position of the bad guys (against Jesus peace be upon him and his message) and reasoning that by the faked idea of salvation! in the right picture there is not what is called a son of God. because God never got a son and he never will.. he is GOD for God's sake.. what a son he needs! aren't we all including all his messengers form Noah to Muhammad peace be upon them but his slaves! that is just where come the argument with christians..!
