A Swedish newspaper has reported that the Green Party leader in Sweden has come forward to state that chemtrails are a joint endeavor (in his country) by the USA's CIA and NSA along with the Swedish government. He claims that chemtrails do contain dangerous chemical components, viruses and virus fragments. The article goes on to say that the UN has recently stated that chemtrails are an effort to save the planet from global warming. There are other sources linked in this web article: "Swedish official admits toxic 'chemtrails' are real, not a wild conspiracy theory" http://www.naturalnews.com/037451_chemtrails_conspiracy_theory_geoengineering.html
There is not a shred of evidence that so-called "chemtrails" are anything other than condensed water vapour from burning hydrocarbons in jet engines. In spite of all the websites claiming to "have the evidence", none of them has any actual data about the composition of the trails. Not a single one. The "theoretical justification" for the conspiracy theory always comes back to a lie.
Bullshit. There has been plenty of data collected by independent sources showing all kinds of heavy metals and biological agents in the fallout from these chemtrails.
Then why is there no link in your post? A plane flies overhead, then a guy on the ground measures heavy metals on a downtown street. Where is the correlation between the time the plane flew over and the time of the observation? Where is the calculation of the fall rate, factoring in the winds at various altitudes to compute the ground footprint of the fallout plume? Where are the controls to factor out heavy metals of local origin? Bullshit yourself.
U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) - ok ...the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) - ok ...and the Swedish Government *splutter* WHO? The article is a little misleading because in other sources she seems to be saying 'she thinks' 'according to her' 'what I've heard' etc etc - nothing concrete...and no evidence. But to be fair, I imagine there are attempts to alter the weather - so crops grow etc. It's when people insert the C.I.A/NSA into the mix. That's when it gets a little crazy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Modification_Convention
There would be a way to measure chemtrails, simply capture large samples of air from a jets contrails and see their chemical composition. It would be possible to do with weather balloons, you could probably do the experiments for a few thousand dollars. The reason there have been no peer reviewed studies on this, is that people who believe in chemtrails are broke. I take messages by Swedish politicians about as seriously as I take ours.
KeithBC if you want some links - here you go: http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=165096&highlight=chemtrails&f=46 http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showpost.php?p=2225962&postcount=34 http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showpost.php?p=77831&postcount=9 http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/search.php?searchid=4873351 http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=225049&highlight=chemtrails&f=420 I think Mr Rat was Chemtrail King for a while. He's probably forgot more than you know. My take: THe UN banned weather manipulation a few years ago. I don't think governments have been spraying chemicals over cities and towns left right and centre. I just re-read that if half the chemicals that were supposed to be being pumped out actually were - they would be flame-trails let alone chem-trails. I do not think there is a plot to depopulate the planet or dumb us all down. The trails that you will see in some of those links are harmless. It's highly unlikely HAARP was used over Rochester. The Swedish lady - from what I can gather - has seen some pictures and jumped to her own conclusions - inserting her own government into the mix as to give it some local spin. (There won't be many people in Sweden who care what happens over the skies of the US or UK - for e.g) The others in her party have walked away from this. I'm not quite sure what she thinks the CIA and the NSA would want to do anything over Sweden - but I guess they are the usual bad guys.
those same kinda metals and chemicals can be found on automobile tailpipes.. aluminum dust huh?.. I guess when 90% an airplane engine is made out of aluminum .. its bound to shed a little skin when having engine problems. opps.. exactly where does the plane hide this cargo, this toxin its carrying? in the gas, fuselage, in the passenger section under the seat with the snakes?. wheres it @?..
Depends what the link is. Since I've spent an inordinate amount of time looking for evidence and repeatedly struck out, the odds of there being a link that contains actual data are slim to none. But, theoretically speaking, if there were a link with actual data, it could change my mind.
What are you actually looking for? Is it just chemtrails or all the other parts of various conspiracies relating to them: depopulation/weather warfare etc etc? Did you skip over the links I posted. Did it come across as a little patronising? I sometimes don't re-read my post to see how it may come across.
I looked at your links. THey were just links to more stupid postings on this forum. I was looking for EVIDENCE: measured observations of real data that would give credence to the notion of chemtrails. Like maybe a report of someone flying into a contrail and sampling it for analysis in a lab. But you weren't able to provide any, because there aren't any. Clifford Carnicom doesn't have any, even though he calls himself an "Institute" now. Will Thomas just says, "Buy my book; it's all in there." Hardly an unbiased observer.
I did try to post some info Pressed Rat had posted earlier [ok, much earlier]. I thought there would be more than enough info one way or the other. I guess you must have already read/seen everything that was within those links before. I wasn't trying to prove his point - just save him some time. I do think there is evidence for small scale weather manipulation tests (geo-engineering) that would resemble 'chemtrails'. I think there is some evidence for that in those links. But I think you are right - there probably isn't any evidence for recent 'chemtrails' all over the world as suggested in some conspiracy sites. That's why I asked what were you actually looking for. If you want some evidence for wide scale projects that are designed to poison us all or dumb us down - maybe depopulate us - well, then I'm waiting for that evidence myself.
Perhaps there is some misunderstanding of what constitutes evidence. Some guy on some forum saying that he remembers reading somewhere that somebody did a study that shows whatever isn't evidence. I want to see the actual study to see for myself if the researcher did a decent job and controlled for other influences. Links to such evidence are welcome. Good luck finding them. I think none exist, because no one has ever actually done a decent study of the subject.
I know what you mean. I presumed Pressed Rat was just bored of posting the same details over and over. I've noticed he has responded to posts with little more than 'lol'. I was being generous to him by posting some of the info he has over the years.
Really? I can see maybe some cadmium from the aircraft's paint. If there's anything else, perhaps you can provide a peer-reviewed link? Because the simple fact is, the same people committing this supposed conspiracy would also have to breathe the same air as everyone else.
I can't seem to find what branch of the Swedish government she is with. It looks like she is just the leader of a local Green Party branch, not with the government at all. Personally, I think all this chemtrail talk is just nonsense. Nothing other than logic tells me that.