stuck in a loop

I have experienced trips to the point where i have became stuck in a loop on many occasions.

This tends to happen when I push the trip pretty hard, i start seeing how my being is made up, almost like seeing and feeling the cells in my body and how they react with each other. The longer you go with it, the deeper into your cells you get. You worry about going too deep to come back, and it takes courage to go too far, but Ive always found my way back

When you hit that loop, it is pretty fucked up, and no matter how many times i hit it, it has a profound effect on me.

If I talk about trying to achieve the "perfect balance", can anyone relate to it? the way each decision we make affects our overall being, and how every human is connected, to earth, nature and each other. These feelings and thoughts come to the forefront during the stuck in a loop moments.

Do these ramblings relate to anyone, or am I just Craaaazy

 

i wish my loops were that nice...mine are crazy fuckin loops man...like time being compressed so much that i think that i'm stuck in that second for eternity. once i thought that i was stuck in a time warp in which i had to relive the same situation for the rest of my life, but i can react differently in the situation each time, but its still fucking scary as fffffff-hell.

 

Leave a few notes to yourself, written before hand, in easy to understand language.

If things get too intense, read the note. The note should say something like, i dont know, "You know this is a stage of your trip. it will wear off soon. relax, and enjoy it cos you know it will be a moment to remember"

I trust my own judgement when Im straight, and find if things do get intense, it helps to have reassurance from "sober" me! lol

My first few loops really freaked me, but now its cool, if a bit scary sometimes. but reassurance turns it enjoyable again

 

You're not crazy - I've never gotten in the "cell loop" that you talk about, but thought loops are certainly common for me on both L and, perhaps even moreso, high doses of cannabis. I've bad some major thought loops/panic attacks on weed, holy shit. It's been a while since it's happened though, and I'll tell you the trick... the trick, for me, is to ground myself in the present moment. Thought loops only happen when you're thinking, and you have to remind yourself when you get stuck in one, that there is no need to think Take a walk, put on some music, beat on some drums or play a video game, talk to a friend... do anything pleasant and relaxing and just sit in the present moment enjoying the experience. Thinking and conceptualizing and problem solving are all good, but they can only take you so far, and sometimes it can be a total mindfuck. When that happens, I know it's time to take a step back, breathe a few times, and put on some Beatles

 

SOrry but what's a loop? SOunds very trippy indeed and obviously is common but want to know more.

Thanks!


(BTW all the other stuff sounds very common to Alice but just wondered if I cuold get a clearer understanding. WOuld like to know if I'm missing out on sometihng!!! )

 

A loop is the way I think to describe part of my acid experience a few times.

It is simply a belief that everything is just going round in a circle. that the circle is your full life, going round and round again and again. It can freak you out a bit and take many forms, ive been into various loop cycles.

I dont know if this is the point of loss of ego that I have read about, as sometimes it can get so real that you start trying to think rationally as to whether this is it. You have pushed your mind too far and you wont ever come back from it. ie. you've gone crazy. The amount of times it has happenned now means I can control the feelings of worry, but sometimes if you have a high dose, it can become freaky at points again.

Hard to describe I suppose lol,

well done if you have read through this and taken something

 

Okay sorry to push more out of you if I can, but is it like a literal loop as in a memory repeat thing or a general loop like repeating theme thing?

Also, is it related to the perception that nothing is really quite real (the whole thin veil of reality and self awareness thing) or inanyway linked to teh general "we are all the same" thing?

OR none of those and something else...
have to go be back later!

 

Its almost like a realization that I haven't done anything at all but imagine my whole life. Things come round and around, the same themes. Like in my loops there is always a dog.

Which seeing as every place I have experienced the loop, there has been a real dog. So wherever I am, the dog takes on the role of the dog, whether its my dog or my mates dog. If that makes sense to you.

Everyone present in my company when this happens gets drawn into the loop too. It seems like the main room where we are all sitting becomes this huge energy source that we are drawn to. If you leave the room, ie get away from the energy, the loop starts to disappear. But people who have went through to say the kitchen to smoke a doob or something, they can hear the loop going on still. But they can disassociate from it. When they come back, they get drwn into the loop again.

I have left through to the kitchen and chatted to a mate, when the loop that I started still continued with everyone in the main room. We spoke about why this happens and we can make perfect sense of why during the acid trip, but afterwards it is hard to grasp why it made sense.



All that happens in the loop is that someone will say something, then someone else will say something etc etc, until someone, usually me, repeats something that they said earlier, then everyone proceeds to act out what they did, precisely as before. As if the subconcious is causing people to involuntary take part in it.

Other loops, like the "cell loop" happen inside my head. I have my eyes closed, and I can "see" the cells/molecules or whatever that make up my physical being. The easiest way to describe it is almost like seeing a wire diagram of my entire make up. The more I think about this, it is as if Im looking deeper and deeper inside the molecular make-up of myself. The longer I am in this thought, the faster it becomes, and the speed in which things begin to loop becomes shorter,, almost giving a feeling of increased speed. It sometimes gets to the point where I cant stop the thought, hence the feeling of being stuck in a loop, but I always manage to calm down and come out of it.



Now, I am writing this after I have just re-read everything here, and I know it sounds like incoherent babble, but putting all the feelings into words is astonishingly hard. I wrote everypoint as it came to mind. You will either identify with it, or think Im nuts, but all I can say is lets meet. LOL Ill show you a loop haha.

Feel free to quiz me, I only have one mate who really is into the psychedelic experience, the others just like to get fucked. So I dont get to discuss these types of thing too often.

I found the site yesterday and have been on non stop all day! lol Work again tomoro though but I'll be back

 

Haha! Yeah I know what you mean. I've recently rediscovered the psychedelic experience and it shocks me when otherwise well rounded intelligent peole are just into the whoel "wahey! lets get f**ked" thing.

I'm not really relatig to it. But maybe, prerhaps, doign it indoors isn't that great an idea? (wild guess)

I do getteh whoel reoccuring theme thing. Like you get themes in a trip which will just reoccur. BUt apart form that never in my lfie been in a loop. HOwever by the sound of what you are saying, it seems like more of a problema nd not something that you want to be in!

 

nah, not a problem at all, i actually look forward to these loops.



our subconcious is an amazing thing.

Here, you might be interested in this http://www.vehram.com

It is about astral projection.

I just recently came across this subject. you shoud red around it. Im still to experience it, but working on it!

 

Actually the first linn e i sometimes get. Its teh bit i mentioned earlier abotuteh thin veil of reality which feels like it slips and shows you 1. teh bizarre and unreal which is obviouslyteh effects of the chemical on yoru physical body and mind but also teh fact that perception is just SO obviously an illusion. HOwever what makes teh "psychedelic" experience for me is that fact that life and teh universe makes sense in such clarity, obvioulsy in relation to my own understandings but also in a mathemtical (a sure LSD specific as opposed to sroom specific understanding) scientific way which connects all those airy mystical ideas of death and spirit to teh realities of scientific "actuality". The underlying truths that EVERYTHING is utterly connected.

Maybe the loop experience is a part of that?

I find it strange that you mention a dog as my last experience (not so long ago) strongly featured dogs. HAHA! I'm terrified of dogs and was afraid that my (later cancelled) trip to cornwall would feature teh dogs of my freiends flatmates. but then when i eventually dfid go on a trip to teh local park instead there were many dogs. ONe so very very beautiful and white and amazing that i was fascinated with it for ages. The dog (there were many others) kept coming and going all day in front of us and it was great because Alice gives me a "at one with nature" feeling most of teh time. Which meant teh fear that borders on phobia didn't bother me too much... I could go on but yeah. stronge how things like this happen right?

 

What do you look forward to them for? As in they must tell you something or inform you of something maybe? if its not clear why yet I imagien you may have a eureka moment one day soon?

I recently (well a while ago) leanrt abotu astral projection and also about lucid dreaming. I think both fascinate me and I would like to seriously devote some time and energy to them. Soudns rubbihs but I have so much else on right now. (I am takign q few evening courses and attempting a few projects whilst trying to change my unemployed status!)

I will chekc teh link out soon! Also interested in looking deeper into transcendental meditation. Meditation in itself hasn't ever worked or done wonders for me but this whoel "transcendental think" may offer a doorway.

 

what drug does the term alice refer to?


Just new to talking about these things on forums, so I prob have a different name for it.


As for the EVERYTHING connected part, me and my mat stood outside in my garden, by a forest, and chatted for about 3 hours whilst night dawned and broke into early morning. We spoke about how we are all conneected, about esp, which we have experience of whilst tripping, nature, how the spinning of the earth affects us.

A funny thought my mate had was that you know when you are really drunk and you start to spin, and almost puke? We call it the burlies. He reckons that might be the alcohol knocking our bodies out of sync with the spinning earth and thats why we start to "spin"

made perfect sense whilst we tripped

 

Alice, Lucy and Sid/Cid all relate to LSD. Alice because Alice D, geddit? heh heh. Also because of Alice in wonderland and teh rabbit hole and the general Alice in wonderland relations to LSD despite it being written way before LSDs invention.

Probably due to Jefferson Airplane's "White Rabbit". Great track!

 

I suppose i look forward to them as I feel like it is a test of my mind. Atest of how far I can explore. Its usually after these loop moments when i have the most profound and truthful moments of realisation.


anyhow, im working n 6 hours. good luck finding employment,

ill be back here another time.

cheers buddy

 

lol,


I guessed it might be a reference to alice in the looking glass, and the whole matrix thing. lol


youu're right, quality tune!!!!!

 

same exact things happened to me :hysterica

 

i will DEFINATELY write myself a letter of assurance next time.. i tripped so hard one night that i was n a back yard with my bf and we just kept saying to each other "this is y were here i love u i love u to" and dogs were barking n tha background.. i remember n my head that i just kept goin thru this same thing but by tha time i realized it i would go back to "this is y were here i love u i love u to" i dont know how long i did that but it seemed like an eternity and my bf was so worried bout me cause he said i didnt say anything tha whole time..i couldve swore that he was n tha loop with me.... u know what got me outta tha loop?? well my bf was so tired of me not talking he got tha water hose and sprayed me with... shocked tha shit outta me, but im glad he did cause that shit was getting annoying as hell..lol

 

Interesting thought, about the fact he said you never spoke.

That could possibly be why sometimes people are checking im ok, but I have been wondering what all the fuss was about, as I was convinced they were taking part, but maybe it was in my head.

Im referring to different times from the ones above btw. Its hapenned lots

 

ya i do tha whole "quiet thing" alot and ya ppl always try to make sure im ok...sometimes i just get so dumbfounded that i can say something n my head and it will either make sense or be hillarious but i try to speak aloud and shit gets twisted and ppl r wonderin how much ive had... i do have a blast n my own mind tho and i guess thats all that matters.