Social Conservativism RETARDS Human Progress

In free nations which are supposed to be founded in the principles of liberty, individuals have liberty of conscience and may choose to be social conservatives in their personal lives. To use the state to coerce others into lives of social conservatism violates the principles freedom! Yet, "freedom" is the very word these fascists uses to force social conservatism down the people's throats with legislation!!!!!

Do not let the religious right of the Republicans fool you with all that less government talk. On social, scientific and sexual matters they are all about government interference and like Islamic radicals, they wish to control both the public and the private lives of the citizenry. It is their calling to save civilization by taking it over and making you conform to their way of seeing things! Whether it was the Motherland, the Fatherland or the Christian Nation, the same rigid moral message of intolerance runs through them!

And these Soviet Communists and "National Socialists" were nothing more than the same old jive of socially conservative capitalists in government (instead of just business) running the show. Stalin was about as LIBERAL as Hitler was as George W. Bush is. To call those movements "left-liberal" is FUCKING IGNORANT!

Homophobia, Racism, Genocide, Slavery, Corruption and Sexual repression were all rampant in these pseudo-"leftist" societies! All marks of SOCIAL OPPRESSION, NOT LIBERATION! Hardline Communists are not about social liberation, but are STAUNCHLY "CONSERVATIVE" IN THEIR "VALUES".

Fundies and other religious extremists are no different in matters of intolerance than Nazis or Stalinists. Some of them even want homosexuals executed just for being gay! They hold very similar views on these 'family values' and sexuality subjects and employ similar language in their positions and propaganda.

Social conservatives have no idea what the principles of liberty are. They are concerned only with religious principles, hoping, as they always have, to stem the tides of liberty.

It's time for another SOCIAL/CULTURAL REVOLUTION to rise and shit upon social conservatives' puritan ethic to drive us all back to the medieval "good old days!"

 

yeah.

the whole Ozzie and Harriet stereotypical suburbia mentality is lame. Gated communities serve as a fishbowl microcosm, and embody fear. These old WASP fucks who're sitting on stockpiles of money, vote for the fear-mongering administration who're just looking out for white-collar interests. Conservative minds are a real waste, just social degenerates.
The people who realize that they own nothing, tend to have more of an "anything goes" outlook, and that scares the shit out of the conservative pansies.

 

Damn straight, polymer.

These "W"-bumpersticker SUV-driving, gated-community, conservatives ignore all the REAL PROBLEMS and focus on FICTICIOUS "cultural degradation" of their "family values". They don't give a good goddamn about poverty or famine. They just don't want gays to marry. They don't care about the environment, they just want their yard to look nice for the property values of their nice little packaged world.

I really have a disdain for these hypocrites. I have to wonder how and why someone would CHOOSE to be ignorant and careless of real problems.

 

seriously...and I see a LOT of them around here. Stereotypical knuckleheads in SUVs and F-150s, with the W(orthless) stickers, driving with their thumbs up their asses

I guess it just comes with the territory.. stupid people will support a stupid president (dumb minds also think alike)

anyone who honestly thinks it's in society's best interest to shortchange education and domestic social programs, to divert the funds to defence spending, should seriously get their f#cking head examined.

 

That sums it up.

 

I see the far Left as being every bit the ideological Nazis as those on the far Right. Both sides want to push an agenda, and BOTH sides think they're right and that the other is wrong. It's all black and white to these people. There is never any middle ground. Those who conform to either extreme -- Left or Right -- are part of the same mindslave, robot mentality, and, as far as I can see are useful idiots in the Elite's divide and conquer strategy. Both are falling for the same two-sided Left/Right paradigm as instilled by the controlled corporate media. It's clear to see that many people do not have their own views on issues. Their views are actually those of other people, in particular those in the corporate-controlled television media, newspapers and magazines.

Some on the Right want to make homosexuality illegal, which I think is wrong, while some on the Left want to push homosexuality on every man, woman and child. It goes both ways.

But, for the most part, this isn't gay people themselves pushing this as much as it is the corporate media and its controllers, who are merely USING gay people for their own agenda.

I have nothing against gay people who don't feel intent on forcing their beliefs down others' throats. Why should anybody be concerned about what people do behind closed doors? I know I don't. It's none of my business what people do when other people aren't around. If men enjoy having anal sex with other men, that is their choice and has no impact whatsoever on me. At the same time, I don't want it forced down my throat everytime I turn on my TV (which I never watch anyway) or enter the workplace. I wouldn't want it forced down my kids' (if I had them) throats, either.

I feel the same way about sex in general -- homosexual or heterosexual. It's not because I am a prude, it's because decadent garbage has taken a front seat to true intellectualism and critical thought, as it was intended. America has turned into a bunch of degenerate, apathetic slobs obsessed with sports, sex, fast cars and mindless entertainment.... ALL BY DESIGN!

In Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, sex was used to dumb the masses down and distract them. Well, sex is being used in the same way today, by design. Heterosexual sex is being corporatized just like homosexuality is. In turn, both heterosexuality and homosexuality alike are being exploited and used AGAINST society in a way that is subversive to everyone.

Leftists often pride themselves as purveyors of intellectual thought, yet they fail to see how sex is being used by the corporate media and its controllers to bring about the exact opposite of this.

Homosexuals are being used and exploited by the establishment more than anyone it seems.

None of my views have to do with religion, either, before you go down that route. I have long studied the major organized religions and exposed them for what they are, which are tools of control. Being the critical thinker I am, one shouldn't be surprised that I am keen to the people who are intent on USING certain minority groups for their own agenda.

I am simply trying to step out from the controlled Left/Right paradigm and present a viewpoint that falls outside of the PHONY black/white talking point debate that many immerse themselves in.

I wonder why those on the LEFT rally around issues like equal rights, homosexual rights, and "sexual liberation," yet fail to ignore REAL, valid issues regarding the Federal Reserve System and the 9/11 inside job. My guess is that, like their controlled Right-wing counterparts, what they hear is also controlled, and every "opinion" they have is taken from talking points provided by the corporate, controlled media. I believe that the opinions and views of Left and Right wingers alike are often not their own opinions and views, but the opinions and views instilled by those who control the whole spectrum, which, in turn, they believe to be their own views.

Again, I am not taking sides here. I am stepping outside from the controlled two-sided, media-instilled, phony Right/Left debate, and providing my own sentient views. Maybe some of you should try it.

As much as I dislike religious fanaticism, anyone who thinks this country is turning into a Christian theocracy has their head up their ass. America is more degenerate and demoralized than it has ever been, and the media is a true reflection of this. Most of the people who voted for Bush aren't even Christians, they're just fearful little yuppies who think Bush is going to protect them from the evil Arab terrorists.

 

been there, done that.
sitting on the middle of the fence gets nothing accomplished, especially in politics. As they say, "you have to have a position".

 

It's not about being on the middle of the fence at all. It's about thinking for yourself. I am sure nearly everyone who will respond to this thread with spout nearly the same talking point bullshit. If they are on the Right, they will have their own chorus line, just as those on the Left have theirs. It's always the same rehashed garbage.

 

The Ayn Rand of the HipForums has given us an "Anthem".

 

I'm sure you're seriously rightRat,however-- short term, this country and the rest of the world would benefit by throwing these republican bastards out of office.If they want to rule the whole fuckin'shebang,the least they could do is keep it low profile like they (kind of) have up 'till now.These fuckers are so blatent with their intentions,it's ridiculous.

 

Don't forget the misogyny. Which is inherent in a religious government such as this one.

 

I am all for throwing Bush out of office. I personally think the bastard should be thrown in prision for life with no chance of parole. I just don't think removing Bush from office would make much of a difference. As it is, I am sure Hillary will take the cake in 2008, so it will be simply a matter of handing the baton over to another New World Order elitist.

This country is headed in one direction, and that's down. Unless people really start to wake up and realize the whole system is a sham, we are doomed.

 

I don't think Hillary would win for some reason.. *shrug*

 

Well, she's got the yuppie, Connecticut-dwelling, LL Bean-wearing, latte-drinking lesbo-libs behind her. Now the war-mongering, Bush-blowing, swill-drinking neocons are starting to get behind her as well (literally, I think, too). Who knows... a lot can happen in two and a half years.

 

I watch no TV, pressed_rat and I am still a leftist! Anything else?

Everyone has an agenda. The question is, which agenda benefits the most and humanity? One side is always right. The French revolutionaries were right to abolish monarchism, aristocracy, and social conservatism and absolutism to establish democracy, while the Right was wrong in wanting to maintain a mini monarchy and the rest.

Nothing new, capitalism uses everything to maintain power. On the other hand, I assume gay people are people who want their rights and freedoms like everyone else.

You have the right not to watch TV and turn away from channels that offend you unless you want government censorship!

Capitalism sells what sells. Irrationality is easier to sell than rationality and the less rational people that exist the more mindless consumers and easier for corporations not to care about product safety and regulations.

I think you have not been on any radical leftist forums. A great leftist read on sexuality is Michel Foucault's work.

Have you found anything yet?

Leftists are very out spoken about the current events like the War on Iraq, economic inequalities, the growing gap between rich and poor, and other social issues. You seem to be not well informed on the leftist scene. You do not see them on TV or mainstream media because they are out casted by the corporate media. Contrary to popular belief CNN is not leftist or liberal, it is just another channel that produces corporate talking points.

The mainstream media contrary to popular belief is owned by conservatives/rights from the radio, to TVs. Who is moving to control the internet the only left free source of information now? It looks like all Right elements. The only sites I see trying to inform people about potential lose of public internet is leftist sites.

Are you saying the corporate media has a socially responsibility to inform people rather than make a quick buck? The media is not accountable to anybody, but it is owners. What it report is controlled and influenced by it is owners.

Christianity is Bush's base, without it he would not even be the president. Religion is easiest way to control people.

You are all over the place, you go from saying all religions are false to saying you need to be religious to be moral.

 

I read somewhere, conservatives from the Western hemisphere and Eastern will inherit the earth because they have more children than liberals/leftists.

Then they can fight themselves, Muslims vs Christians.

 

Sex is decadence, PR??

*Falls off chair laughing*

I personally apologize for all the people that would rather fuck then talk political philosophy with you.

 

Christians Sue for Right to be intolerant
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...0apr10,0,6204444.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Whatever happened to Jesus's teachings?

 

Didn't you know? Jesus was a white-nationalist, woman-hating, Jew-hating, warmonger!

No. Seriously though, that far-right Xtians don't follow the teachings of Jesus. They follow bits of the OT and slap Jesus's name on it.

 

They also would be better called "Paulites" because most of the scripture they quote are O.T. or Pauline letters. Because that's where most of the good intolerant shit is that they can use to bash "sinners".