so much spiritual talk

It's kind of depressing, so much spiritual talk, so much eloquence, so much learning about love, learning about beauty, how to feel love, give love, create beauty and allow beauty, learning how to hold certain energies, see all humans as equal, see the deeper meaning in everything.... but in the end it all seems to boil down to, I need money, how do I now get money?

It's like on one side, you work on your spiritual beliefs, your spiritual conviction, the deeper meaning of the world and how things really are and whats important, and then on the other side you temporarily forget all of that to make money so you don't end up starving to death.

I suppose I'm just struggling with transcending the duality of my spiritual path and my path to sustain my physical existence. Anyone ever feel the struggle from such a dichotomy?

 

i always said psychedelics were best tempered with a life. like einstein said.. you must keep the bicycle moving forward in order to stay balanced

 

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the everyday struggle...

it may not have to be, here check this out
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working is part of spirituality too. although that's not to say that, like aliced said, we do need community, and our monetary ideals are highly corrupt. isn't it a shame.

 

silly rygoody... everything you will ever need is provided by the earth. Starving people are stupid enough to run over food every day and leave it on the road. People dont know food even if its staring them in the face.



The hard part, well maybe not so hard, is to make the decision to return to the earth, return to the old ways cause this money machine doesnt have any true foundation.

 

"we will win them over with our old-fasioned bread, and then we will crack the whips!"

just kidding lol. really some people are never going to make the decision to return to a more simple way of living. the only way that is going to be accomplished is in smaller communities. as for the rest of the world well who knows.

seriously though, have you ever had oldschool bread made by bakers from the baker's guild of america? i baked with a few individuals associated with them for a brief period. shit is declious. fatally delicous.

i totally understand where you are coming from though rygoody, and alot of the time it frustrates me to no end. although, i suppose that really one's spiritual path and means to sustenance have always needed to be in balance. however, things aren't quite as simple as they might have been before the industrial revolution and all the economical developments that have occurred since. we're in the 21st century now..

 

so you get all your food straight from the earth on the side of the road, prone?
do you not use money?

 

Nope never had this problem.
It's entirely possible to live a simple, humble life while working for money and purchasing goods with money.
Money is just a tool that can be used. If you have some sort of personal dilemma with money, it isn't money that's the problem it is your relationship to it.

 

the trick is finding work that feeds your spirituality in some way. work can be very spiritual in and of itself if its something you love to do.

 

No and I never made any claim that I do. I do use money, but I fear that if humanity doesnt go back to old ways, it will fall apart.

 

We've progressed to this point.
The way forward is to progress more, not regression.

 

All of reality goes in cycles, the progression of any process has it's base pattern resting on a sine wave. Nothing goes in a continual up progression forever.

 

Those terms are subjective.

 

Cycles? Yes.
Circles? No.

 

perhaps the progression is to learn that our current societal and economical structure doesn't work. it's not sustainable. it's not regression if we learn from the past.

if a house is built on unstable foundations do you keep working to fix the problems that are created by the foundations? or do you create another house with stable foundations?

 

We are objectively more progressed than in the past. It cannot be logically disputed.

It has been sustainable for hundreds of years.

Nor did I say anything to the contrary.

This metaphor has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

 

I think that is entirely subjective. Progression in relation to what, exactly? I have particular feelings about the way humans should live in regards to the earth which sustains us. I wont get into that here because its irrelevant, but from my viewpoint our current way of life cannot be defined as progress. There are certain elements of our current way of life that are certainly progressive. There are certain elements that I personally would define as regression. Its all subjective.

no it hasn't. Our current way of life really started with the industrial revolution. Cars didn't come around until the early 1900s. Planes, even later. Suburban sprawl, one of the biggest plagues of mankind in my opinion, is a relatively new concept. As long as we are using fossil fuels to harness energy, our way of life will never be sustainable. As long as we are killing more earth than we encourage to grow, our way of life cannot be sustainable. Also, even if you believe our current way of life has been this way for several hundred years, that doesn't mean it is sustainable. Hundreds of years is a relatively small blip in the history of mankind.

 

we're destroying the world. the enviroment is becoming more and more pulluted. there are wars over the energy sources that fuel our civilization. you call that sustainable?

 

We're not destroying the world Desos.

Progression in relation to standard of living, human rights, accessibility of information, just to name a few?

"Cars and planes" is not an accurate synopsis of the Industrial Revolution. The Industrial Revolution began in the 1700s and has been sustained ever since then. Hundreds of years.
As far as I'm concerned, it's the greatest thing to ever happen to humanity as it spurred the widespread circulation of information, resulting in many leaps forward.
So what will it take for you to think it's sustainable? 500 years? One thousand?
Maintaining something over hundreds of years is sustainability, whether you like it or not.