should rapists get the death penalty ?

I think rapists should be executed as the effects of what they do can make a persons life worse than hell

 

oooooooo. i must confess, the thought does appeal. though i'd rather they were lynched by the victims' families.

 

No one should get the death penalty.

Throughout history, man has been trying to find a more humane way to execute, but the most humane way is to not execute at all.

Killing them doesn't bring victims back to the way things were before the crime. Many of victims families comment about how the execution didn't give them any sense of comfort - It's just another dead person to add to their lives.

We're going backwards as a people if we continue to support the death penalty.

 

Hmm, perhaps a version of "the punishment should fit the crime". I'd suggest castration for rapists, castration with minimal anaesthetic for child rapists.

 

hell just send em to max prison hand em a bar of soap and send em to the showers. They'll see the error of their ways in no time.

 

-Murder in a uniform is heroic, in a costume it is a crime. -- Abbie Hoffman-


Committing crimes is evil, committing crimes for revenge is a victory.

-_-

 

Excuse me, def zeppelin,
But I was wondering what your suggestion is for dealing for serial killers. People who have already killed several people and find killing enjoyable. Sending them to prison for life won’t stop them, they will continue to kill when they get the chance, should they be allowed to do so? I guess you could keep them in solitary confinement but that in itself is cruel and unusual punishment and still someone would have to feed them and that would give them the opportunity to kill again. It would seem that putting them to death would be the only solution. But again I was wondering what your suggestion would be?

 

actually I've done some work with prisoners and the criminal justice system. the extremely violent are kept in solitary almost all the time. they don't let them mix with the general population. Food is generally passed through a hole in the door so physical contact is seldom. they call it the permanent 15 the 15% of the prison population that is beyond rehabilitation of any kind. Or that's the theory I guess. They're also generally kept on pretty large doses of antipsychotic meds and sedation if needed.

 

def zeppelin said this:
Throughout history, man has been trying to find a more humane way to execute, but the most humane way is to not execute at all.

Jrnyman said this:
The extremely violent are kept in solitary almost all the time. They don't let them mix with the general population. Food is generally passed through a hole in the door so physical contact is seldom. They call it the permanent 15 the 15% of the prison population that is beyond rehabilitation of any kind. Or that's the theory I guess. They're also generally kept on pretty large doses of antipsychotic meds and sedation if needed.

Maybe it’s just me, but somehow, to me, this sounds less humane than execution.

 

Maybe let them decide, either or.

But I'm mostly talking about the lesser evils - People that might be able to be rehabilitated.

You do have good points, though. That kind of life can be pretty cruel.

I don't really have the solutions, really. I just have a good sense of what direction we should be taking.

Even if my humane argument is weak and stale. You really can't deny that innocent people are put to death all the time. The justice system isn't perfect, and sometimes the innocent are executed. This is a very dreadful situation, and putting an end to the death penalty would put an end of taking innocent lives.

So, under that argument, it would be to protect the innocent. Not unless we change the justice system to make it 100% ironclad and mistake-proof - The death penalty should be suspended.

 

Oh, yawn.

As someone with experience of all things nasty in this area im going to say

The question should be "should anyone get the death penalty?" The answer for me is always, completely "Of course not, are you insane?" I mean is this thread for real or what? Im guessing its a joke

Its not about punishment, and even if it was, what a ridiculous one! I want them to be kept apart from regular society where they can be of no harm, and worked with by psychiatrists and the like, because they are unwell human beings. That doesnt mean i want to see them out and about again after a bit of playing ping pong, because i know and realise that these things are so deep ingrained that for many they may never be cured. But every human life needs to be treated with a certain amount of dignity, and shoving them in a darkened cell for x amount of years, where theyll be beaten and hardened up and then released does no good...and murdering the person would hardly be good either now, would it?

 

I'm universally against the death penalty. No one should be excecuted....

 

It's now 44 years since the last execution in the UK, 43 years since Parliament effectively abolished the death penalty for most crimes and 9 years since it was finally taken off the statutes for high treason. Even pro-death politicians like William Hague have accepted that it is no longer an issue in this country, it's gone for good.

 

This is the consensus view among the western democracies. Capital punishment has been abolished throughout the European Union and in all developed Western democracies, the one exception being the USA, whose capital punishment record is up there alongside such human rights luminaries as Sudan, Iraq and Pakistan.

When we talk about unreformable serial killers and child rapists etc we are talking about mentally ill and damaged individuals. Thankfully our society has progressed past the point at which we held it to be acceptable to execute the mentally ill.

 

I think if rapists, murderers and fiddlers were given the death penalty, it would

a) Save a lot of tax payers money.
b) Create space for new prisoners. A lifer gets a single cell, while 2000 inmates have to spend many years in a three up cell.
c) This would quench societies thirst for retribution.
d) Everyone will have faith in our justice system and the tabloids and broadsheets will shower the justice system with praise and put it on a peddistool. Of course Brussels would kick us out the Eu. But this is another plus.

I don't support the death penalty, but unfortunately nobody wants a jail in their backyard, and our current jail population is heaving.

 

So murdering someone who is mentally unbalanced is acceptable and justifiable because of money and matters of convenience I really do hope both you and the OP are joking here, because if this threads serious its a bit worrying. If youre against the death penalty and fully understand it, then pointing out the "plus"es seems a little meaningless, non?

 

Thanx def zeppelin,
I really don't see a simple solution either. For some of the reasons you mentioned and others I'm really not for the death penalty but I don't think that the people that are against the death penalty have thought out the total consequences of doing way with it either. It can be pretty easy to say, no death penalty then turn way and not notice what 30 or 40 years in solitary confinement does to a person or the people that have to keep him locked up.

 

Its true the current prison system is an absolute mess and does a lot more harm than good. The whole thing is riddled with the power-hungry and corrupted, and as i said, sticking a child molester in a room on his own for so many years, or in with a load of brutal blokes beating him up, then releasing him isnt going to stop him from being a child molester, because its a mental illness, its deep in his head, he needs help

I think theres far too much emphasis in the general publics minds on "justice" and "punishment", especially when it comes to sex crimes. These people are obviously very very unwell. And people really think locking them up and the forgetting about them is going to help...We need proper facilities with a lot more emphasis on development of these peoples psyche.

As for prisons being overcrowded, its true, but were overpopulated. Its also because these people are just processed as i mentioned. Lock em up. Do a few reports. On psychiatrist visit here and there. Let em out. Does no goods, i say

 

you know, my trouble with the death penalty has never been with the death of the dirtbag evil sorts. it's been with the psychic toll that it must take on the people who carry through with the execution. i mean, do YOU want to live next door to an executioner? also, how many people are actually guilty on death row? the thought does give me the creepy crawlies. i'm not for the death penalty because i think those guilty deserve mercy, i'm against the death penalty because i think the innocent and the executioners deserve mercy.

 

Yes, an inevitable consequence of having a death penalty is that mistakes will be made, miscarriages of justice will happen and we will murder innocent people. It's not worth risking one single innocent life. That's quite apart from the fundamental trangression of the most basic human right it entails - capital punishment is fundamentally brutal and barbaric and the mark of uncivilised thinking.