Should I dose again at all?

If you wanna know what time it is, you don't have to ask
If you wanna know whats hers or his, you don't have to ask
If you wanna know what's real or not, you don't have to ask
If you wanna know where to find your spot, you don't have to ask
You don't have to ask
You don't have to ask
You already know
You already know

If you wanna leave your troubles behind, you don't have to ask
If you wanna go away and lose your mind, you don't have to ask
If it's peace that you're looking for
You got the key to every door, you already know

If there's a way out you'll find out and see all and be all
You'll never wonder what spell you been under
To make you forget all this time

If you're looking for the way, you don't have to ask
You can see it plain as day, you don't have to ask
If you're trying to find what's true, just take a look at all of you
You don't have to ask
You don't have to ask
You already know
You already know
​

 

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Well i guess i'm Schizophrenic then. Simply because i have a passion for things such as higher dimensions and time travel. Fine then.

 

Truth doesn't have to necessarily be agreed upon. War is truth, and war is conflict. I don't really know what truth is. Perhaps you could say that truth is WHAT IS.

And by the way, to use a classic example, it was ONLY Galileo who made the argument in his time that the earth is in fact NOT flat. When across many lands and countries it was agreed upon that that was not the case. How's that for "agreed upon" truth?

 

There is nothing wrong with having a passion for the unknown and "fringe" science. I also have a passion for such things as well and have had for as long as I can remember. I also have a passion for learning the truth and scientific reality of feasibility of such things.

You seem to just accept such things as empirical fact, even in the face of data to the contrary. That is the difference. And to justify such acceptance to yourself you just chock it up to "the man" or "society feeding us all lies" or some such nonsense.

The other day I was discussing a point of Biblical history as it related to Rome of the first century. My brother was certain he was correct in his ideas. But when he started to actually look it it up and check some sources on line that plainly showed him to be wrong, he settled it by simply exclaiming "whatever, I don't really give a shit about it anyway!" and closed his laptop. I nearly pissed myself laughing at him.
That is exactly the mentality you and Desos have exhibited here as well as in other similar threads.

I'll bet you are another one who problems with fundamentalist Christians also, yet fail to see the same narrow-minded, stubborn behavior in yourself.

 

Again, that's Desos with all the society stuff, not me.

And are you kidding me? Please tell me exactly how i'm being stubborn? Do i have to repeat the fact that i am not discounting the medical legitimacy of schizophrenia, only insisting that PERHAPS it's POSSIBLE that that is not the only thing going on with schizophrenia? And somehow I'm the one that's being close minded and stubborn?

So basically i'm just getting cyberly hated upon because i dare to take seriously things such as shamanism, higher dimensions, time travel, UFOS, etc?

Well fuck you guys. I've had a passion for that shit since i've been a little kid. And i can understand you guys disagreeing with me, but you guys have such an attitude towards me. It's like for fuck's sake, i think you guys all make really good points, and i thoroughly enjoy these debates.

But you guys get so fucking pissed and it's finally pissing me off too.

I'm gonna go be Schizophrenic now.

 

Lets not attack anyone here. Im sure most of us are guilty of what we are accusing others guilty for.



If it works for you that is great! Just because it doesnt work for me doesnt mean that it is not great. Do you, and be happy that others can do them.



Dont be a SNOB! Plus, Im sure most of you who are speaking about crazy people, base your facts on what...? Books? Internet sources? COME ON, have you ever LIVED with someone like this? Im sure I already know the answer, and I am also sure, that alot of the people in this thread do not know what they are talking about.

 

Yeah, mabey I went through some supernatural phase, but do I really care? Does it really change anything? Sure I could acknowledge that I was hearing things that most people don't, but all it was was creepy. Either way if I tried to explain myself to people they would just think I was crazy anyways, so ultimately wouldn't have gotten much value out of it. I don't think theres any way to prove one way or the other, so who cares either way.

 

Yea, it's not like any of us really have any idea what we're even talking about anyway. I consciously choose to come from a place of "i don't know" and "what if?", and somehow this has translated over to PB and Writer that i'm being stubborn and close-minded.

 

Its not about proving anything. Its about YOU, and what YOU took from YOUR experience. Push all that insanity hype aside and look deep down... did you learn something about youself through all this?

 

Ive been taking to the hospital by roommates, stayed with social workers for a week, been on haloperidol for months and still live with uncertainity. I certainly don't think I'm as crazy as some but I certainly have some first hand experience and glimpse into that world. I'm not sure why anyone would aspire to be scizophrenic or schizoaffective.

 

No! According to Writer, it's not about YOU and YOUR experience. There's no validity to that. Truth comes in numbers! It's all about the collective agreement! And anyone who questions the collective agreement is most likely insane!


Oh, wait, but i forgot to mention that there's actually no difference whatsoever between "you" and "others" at the deepest core.

 

Even I can stay on some sort of a track here. Dont get so bent over one single persons opinion. You do not have to embrace anything, but do not let it fly over yo heead.

 

No, it's about a balance between the two.
You can't discount the collective, consensus reality simply because it doesn't agree with your personal experience. Nor can you or should you discount the personal experience for the same reason. It's all about balance and equilibrium.

 

I didn't really learn much, it was mostly just to have fun with, since all the voices were talking to me, so it made me feel like I was king. I guess if anything I learned that there is alot out there, and nobody knows exactly what is going on. At some points during the phase, I would think something, and people would literally speak to me as if they clearly heard it. That was one of the most frightening things. It really opened my box to whole new ideas that I wouldn't have ever considered.

 

Everything aside.... Some of the best advice I can give; if you are planning on ending your tripping carreer, end it on a good note.

 

Sorry for my little explosion I was in a bad mood.

China I don't think you're schizo because you are interested in fringe things. I don't even think you're schizo for believing in fringe things. I don't think you're schizo period, if my data on you is to be taken from this thread alone. All I'm saying is that you are being intellectually lazy. PB explained it better than me, it is about the balance between personal experience and consensus reality. I also do not, at the end of the day, "ultimately close the book" on things like karma. I just don't give them much weight in my heart when the data pointing to their existence is . . . ? Just what some dudes say, and their data is just what some other dudes say. It never ends at any actual observance of a thing called "karma". Just to use that as an example, this applies to alien abductions and time travel and all that as well. There's no actual meaningful kernel of truth to it that you can point at and dispel all doubt.

Then again we have things like the Flat Earth Society, so I think we are all trying to argue for an objective way to be subjective, or a subjective way to be objective, or something.

Sorry if I misattributed attitudes and statements to you that are not yours.

I also think there is a lot of strawmans going on, I'll say one point, you'll reply to me with a slightly different point, I'll reply to that point with a slightly different point, and we kind of spar in a weird way never actually delving deep at any one point.

The only person I would have a serious problem with is someone who actually denied the medical validity of schizophrenia and thought it was all about U$A controlling our souls or something. Obviously there is an element of that there, society and culture do chain us in many ways, I just don't think it's really happening at all when we're talking about schizophrenia, or happening in a way that is *greatly secondary* to the primary horror of the physical disease.

If I went around telling people my exact thoughts on cosmology and the nature of reality and what not they might think I'm fringe, they might think I'm crazy Well not in these parts

 

Nope, we love you! :love:

 

Don't worry PBs a dick, look at his sig :mickey:

 

i can agree with one of china's or maybe it was desos's points. that the medications they give schizophrenics probably make it worse. although in severe cases, i'm sure medication is beneficial. it's just probably very powerful, mind-altering drugs that have side effects. that is just my personal idea though, with no real experience with the disease or anyone with it...so i dunno what i'm talking about.

i did google "schizophrenia caused by virus" and the first page i clicked on listed several causes, including:

viral infection

and psychological causes

" It has been suggested that possible causing factors include stress caused by institutional and individual racism, low employment levels, poor housing and lack of cultural identity. Research has also shown that the smaller the proportion of an ethnic minority living in an area the greater the risk of developing a mental illness becomes. Social isolation is thought to pay an imporatnat role in such stresses."

http://www.enotalone.com/article/3019.html

my guess is that science doesn't really have a firm grasp on what causes schizophrenia (same thing with autism), and it's probably multiple causes, both "physical" and "spiritual"

this goes along the same lines of stuff like OCD and ADHD, etc. someone on HF made a thread "are all american kids crazed drug addicts?" or something, with a "study" that said 49% of girls and 51% of boys in the USA have a mental disorder.
AEEEEEEEEEEY (buzzer sound)
WRONG!
it's a part of being human

but schizophrenia is different. so it's not really along the same lines..

 

Haloperidol was what I was taking is in no way psychoactive to the extent adderall is even. Its hardly mind altering, although I guess it does slow down cognition or something maybe and did feel like a relief. But yes the following day is very hard to be motivated to do much, I feel like I want to sleep. Supposedly some of the side effects of using long term antipsychotics is pretty bad. A combination of medicine and psychotherapy would probably be optimal but as you referenced there individuals usually have occupational difficulties so its hard to afford all that.

Also schizophrenia has a largely genetic component and can show overactivation of dopamine pathways, so while science may not have 100% of schizophrenia figured out there are some assumptions/theories that can be made on the nature aspect of it.