Should I dose again at all?

I'm not trying to tell you your beliefs are wrong or you don't have valid opnions. I get carried away with the point sometimes. I just have a problem with your ideas about skitzophrenia because I think it's an unhealthy attitude for people who may have those problems. But I dunno, it is what it is I guess.

 

I feel like FD's original post was a naked account of extraordinary pain and a lot of danger. To me, it's as if some folk on the forum are responding with theories or something I'm not sure what to call it - it's all in your head OR who knows what's really real anyway OR something less than completely serious. I dunno. FD's OP was the real deal, naked and wide open.

Stay strong FreshDacre; stay pure.

 

i think you did the right thing, i'm just argueing for the sake the principle. the psychiatry system can be beneficial, but as a whole, it is turning into an albatross force that is gaining more and more momentum. that much power, combined with the ability to influence people's realities through drugs, all in the hands of men, is a scary thing indeed. it's not that i think that there is some kind of conpsiracy going on to control and brainwash people. it's the heart of man that i don't trust, especially when power and money get involved.

certain drugs like mushrooms and dmt really DO have the potential to open yourself up to higher realities. when you put yourself into certain higher dimensions or make certain connections you put yourself totally at the mercy of the forces that abide there.

should we be delving there? maybe, maybe not. but we need guidance. this journey that we are all on in this lifetime is one that we are in together.

 

Why are you turning psychological exploration into religion?

 

because at it's core all that religion really is, is the exploration of the mind in relation to reality. religion gets a bad name because of all the corrupt institutions that have plagued humanity since the dawn of time. but that doesn't mean that spirituality is invalid, it means that those corrupt institutions are invalid. spirituality and psychological exploration are inexorably connected. the meaning of all is one.

although, i wasn't aware that i was turning psychological exploration into religion. i see no differentiation between psychology and religion. psychology is a form of religion.

 

I was refering to your invoking of non-necessary entities, such as higher dimensions, populated with forces, who have opinions. seems like a non-optimal way to approach things, can't get much out of it . . . will the scary extra dimensional entities/forces allow me to get high on a tryptamine? who knows . . . :\

 

gah i don't know, i really don't see any differentiation between such ideologies.

 

I like how you question the existence of an objectively verifiable neurological disease which afflicts and has afflicted millions of human beings, on the basis of "everything is illusion", but as soon as some movie plays in your head during a heavy psychedelic experience, well, that's it folks, we have the answer. Extra dimensions et al. Nope, no illusion here. My head is right, fickle forces from beyond space exist, but the established medical community from across virtually every culture is wrong.

At least try to apply your own standard of truth to yourself. What do you mean "ive been there". You've also been here, on Terra Firma, where just down the block my friend, you will find a building wherein inside are many poor individuals who no longer enjoy any meaningful quality of life due to a very real disease called schizophrenia. Remember our friend Gerard? yeah, that dude who's video I always post when we have these retarded "schizophrenia is just being a special snowflake!" discussions. I like how every time, Gerard shuts everyone up, only for this topic to resurface in a month or two as though any previous threads never happened.

I hope you try telling your fun theory to a really bad schizophrenic one time. Sorry my bad, I meant super shaman.

 

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Lol, I had to stop responding to him after he said that diagnosing people with schizophrenia was genocide. Shit got way too stupid way too fast.

Also, love how Sam Stoned points out that ChinaCat has no idea what he's talking about and that he's constructed his philosophy on ignorance that is actually harmful to others, and ChinaCat's response is basically "I know but I don't care lol"

This section really is something else these days.

 

Good cripes, no it isn't.
Do you understand how scientific inquiry works?
The scientific method? That thing they taught in 4th grade?

 

i've been there, and i have had the real life experiences. i have had my freedoms taken away, and been cast into a mental hospital. i have met real schizophrenics, from the inside. not as a doctor looks at them, but on a person to person basis. the truth is, they are not much different from you or me. they just need love and understanding. when they are given heavy anti-psychotics it only disturbs their brain patterns more, and perpetuates their mental illness. it isn't a mental or physical dillema, it is a spiritual dillemma. i have also lived in several different countries, traveled throughout europe, and lived in a communal lifestyle. the only difference between people is culture and the selfishness that roots them in misunderstanding. this goes across the board, because it is universal. everywhere, all human beings are the same at their very deepest core.

aside from having had heavy mystical experiences under the influence of mushrooms, and salvia, and lsd, i have also had heavy mystical experiences in every-day life, perfectly sober, that have brought about real, verifiable reactions, that other people can bear witness to. when you are talking about schizophrenia and trying to help people, then you should look at the fruit of what is brought about.

labeling people as schizophrenic and medicating them or placing them in mental institutions doesn't do anything to tackle the real problem. it's like trying to screw in a nail with a hammer. so how about that building where individuals no longer enjoy any quality of life? is that really helping to tackle the issues of what we are calling schizophrenia? no. we just isolated those individuals so they wouldn't bother us anymore.

but if you look instead at the spiritual side of life, then you can see what really is causing the problem in the first place. it is the seed of selfishness that has been planted into the psyche of mankind. the power of love and understanding can bring about more healing than any drug ever possibly could, and i have been there as well my friend. the problem is the greed and strife that runs rampant throughout our society, not the schizophrenics inability to cope. these individuals are the result of the moral, political, and societal boundaries that are set before us, and they are living testimony to what that breeds.

now, i'm not about to spew out some solution over the forums. that is only something that can be brought about through real actions within society. but i do know enough to be able to tell when a system is producing bad fruit, and the schizophrenics are the living testimony.

what was the point that was brought up earlier? that in indegeneous tribes the mental illness rate is almost zero?

 

Hint: not documented =/= non-existent

 

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It's not some flowery magical thinking. It's actually the truth of the matter.

That doesn't mean the mental or physical aspect doesn't exist but they are the by-product of a spiritual dilemma IMO.

 

The only reason i have the attitude i do is because i've had a deep fear of becoming schizophrenic for a long time. And i'm trying to empower myself by facing it and USING schizophrenia to my advantage if that were to ever be the case.

 

You guys do realize that schizophrenia is caused by a virus right? Hell of a spiritual dilemma there.

 

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Having cancer (caused by a virus) and lying in your death bed going through an existential crisis is also one hell of a spiritual dilemma..

 

And if we had a thread about the medical validity of cancer as a diagnosis and reality, I would be telling you to avoid smoking and possibly seek chemotherapy as an option, and you and Desos would be telling me that chemotherapy was invented by western medicine to kill all our Indigo Children or something, and that indigenous tribes don't even USE chemotherapy because they are just so darn spiritual, and that really someone with cancer should focus on how society is so backwards and is going to burn down in 2012 and is so focused on ego, instead of taking their medicine???

I guess I no longer even understand either of your points, China and Desos.

So you are actually agreeing that schizophrenia is a real disease that ruins lives, but you are just appending a very long rant about how society is ultimately to blaim for their bad adjustment . . . to society?

 

Desos and Chinacat, you both really should invest some time in learning language and terminology that would better convey your thoughts. The language you have been using tends to close people off to your ideas. It's far too all-encompassing and reactionary and pseudo spiritual.
Also it would be best if you laid out your arguments in a better fashion, compartmentalizing spiritual elements from physical elements, from sociological elements, from political elements.
Present it in a hierarchical structure clearly defining each layer and how it relates to the layers above it.
I can understand what you are thinking to a point, but it is so poorly presented that it sounds like non-sensical gibberish. Lose all the new-age, pseudo science, hippy revolutionary lingo, and you will do much better at communicating your ideas.

You guys think that humanities underlying spiritual nature and ramifications of the "laws" governing that nature correlates to the manifestation of personal and societal ills. That is not a new concept and is core to every religious philosophy in existence.
You guys just really suck at presenting your ideas in a coherent fashion.