Shotacon/Lolicon vs "Normality"

This is something that I've thought about for a long time, and many people I'm sure must have encountered it.

Japan has many strange things, from tentacle rape, scat porn and breastfeeding porn (as long as the vag is blurred out, of course You don't want ppl seeing that!), but one that's always stood out for me as a challenge to normality would be Shotacon and Lolicon.

Now, for those who don't know, Shotacon and Lolicon (also called Roricon. Seriously. I'm not making fun of the Japanese, you can look it up), are the cartoon portrayal of sex between minors.

Many ppl here will go "Wwwhhhaaattt?", but the issue is not that simple.

Child Pornography, and by this I mean real pornography that children are forced into, causes a lot of harm to children, and the people that look at this, and produce this, are quite frankly sick bastards.

However, Shotacon and Lolicon doesn't harm anyone, and keeps it within the realms of fantasy.

Share your opinions on this everyone!

L_S

 

This is not limited to Japan. Goto Google, click on Images and type in "Catholic school girl costume" and see what comes up.

 

They can't be underage if they don't exist.

 

I could care less.

Deciding wether people can look at fake pictures of to get off is one step from deciding what they can and can't think. How far is it from that to prosecuting people to jacking off while THINKING about those underage? It's not real, so I can't see that it matters one bit.

In a perfect world there would be no one who liked it, and no market for it. While it's not my regular, I've enjoyed loli on occasion.... But I would NEVER put a minor in that kind of position. And I'm not proud that I've even watched it, but there's still nothing ACTULLY hurt by it.

And lets not forget, no one bats an eyelash over the MASSIVE amount of hentai full of school girls and the like, simply because they have impossibly massive tits or whatever.

 

In the US we have fought for our Constitutions First Amendment right to see porn since the 1950s. However, an exception to that has been child porn which just viewing it gets you prison time. The rationale of course is that by providing a market for the porn you are complicit in the actual sexual exploitation of children

As LS mentioned this is now a big issue with the puritanical censors because it is purely "thought crime" when they apply the child porn exception to made up scenes. And, with the advances of CGI, those scenes could be as real a fotografs.

I think it exposes once again the hypocrisy we in the US have about being a free country with freedom of expression. It also exposes the Puritan concept that they fear that someone somewhere in the world is enjoying themselves. (Why do Puritans loathe bull baiting - not because of the pain inflicted on the bull but because of the enjoyment felt by the bettors)

So, yes, graphically portrayed scenes created by artists or computers should be legal no matter what. But the laws are bent and contrived to make it illegal on some spurious claims that don't logically hold up.

It will have to be decided in the courts and that is still not based on law but the opinion of the majority culture.

 

Ok I did just like you said and this what came up..



Thanks for the tip

Peace

 

It's a non-issue to me. They're drawings and no children are getting hurt or exploited in the process.

 

That's only one side of the argument (which, to be honest, I agree with), it cannot be counted as child pornography since no children are exploited. However some people will argue that those who watch Lolicon will be more likely to make their fantasies a reality.

L_S

PS:
Your Safe Filter is on when you googled that didn't you? Remove it, try again, marvel, wank

 

i think if anything, it makes them LESS likely, atleast for some, its an outlet id see it as.

 

I think cartoon or computer generated art of pre-teen sex is both cute and disturbing. I am not sure if it is a outlet or encouragement to pedophiles. I do think however, that if it is just artwork and not real people (Children) being used it should not be illegal. I think furry cub sex is cute and funny. Computer generated lolicon where the images are very realistic are very disturbing. I think people how like that kind of computer generated art are something to worry about. Censorship is bad, child abuse is worse. If it's art, let it be. If it's child abuse, prosecute it.

 

You make a valid SOUNDING point.... but if there's no child, it can't be abused. That simple.

 

if that happens, arrest them. other than that, who the fuck cares

 

isn't it just pedophiles looking for a loophole in the law?

on the other hand, no one is getting hurt in cartoon child porn (which is what it really is). Eh whatever. to each his own. I know if i saw a significant other looking at this stuff i would be perturbed to say the least and might reconsider the relationship. im young as it is and i dated one guy who wanted to role play that i was even younger and i found that disturbing. yeah, dont need that shit.

 

Exactly, it would be slightly weird to date someone who looked at that stuff. You made a valid point why thank you

L_S

 

You are welcome, I make quite a few valid points (in my opinion) so stay tuned

 

define weird. because if watching lolicon with a gogurt up my ass and a popsicle in my mouth is weird, we may be at odds my friend.

 

The law is not a moral institution, or it is inharently wrong. The law is to protect children, if there are no children being hurt, the law does not apply. Again, tghat's straying toward thought crime. You can think it's wrong, but if it

 

Law and morality obviously are not the same but the two do cross paths in a lot of situations. Even if no children are being hurt, as another poster said on here, looking at this type of porn may be the gateway, so to speak, for other things (ie. acting on the desire). For some it could be an outlet to a fetish of theirs, and for others it can be a justification for child pornography. Do not forget how sick some minds can be, and they may not see it the way you do. Thought crime has nothing to do with it.

 

Gee, I thought that was kind of the point of the statement. Cartoons are Cartoons. It's art. It may also be porn, but if it is just drawing, paintings, computer generated images, it's not child abuse. Still I find the highly realistic images to be a bit disturbing. But that is my problem and no one else.

 

well, some minds are sick, so its not really gona change their mind about right or wrong, an outlet wont help them, but theres a good chance their gona break the law anyways. atleast for people that feel the urge, theres an alternative, its in human nature to like what a person likes and get it by any means necessary, hence the reason humanity in general is so screwed up lol, so wrapping it up, loli/shota=a harmless release, so long as the artist harmed no children in their making of the art.