Shipping to PO Boxes..

So SWIM found a legit vendor and wanted to order some chems from them. SWIM went to USPS to rent out a PO box, and asked would it be possible to receive and take out mail from my PO Box if it doesn't have SWIM'S name on it. She said it's not possible. Now when SWIM buy rcs, SWIM don't use his/her real name, and obviously SWIM would like them to send it to this PO box. But from what this lady tells SWIM, it's not going to work out? Is she straight up lying or what? How can SWIM receive and pick up mail that doesn't have any relation to SWIM's name at all? SWIM doesn't know exactly what's going on, so help SWIM out if possible. Also, what exactly do you guys do to get your PO box and work everything out when ordering chems from online?

Thanks.

 

Well, when trying to open a PO box at a local USPS they will require two forms of ID (I believe) so yea, a name is going to be tied to that box. Now, I suppose people acquire fake forms of ID and open boxes under a false name... but that would be illegal

I've also heard that sometimes there are mom and pop type stores that offer PO boxes, and sometimes these stores don't ask for ID. It might be a good idea to shop around.

Also, not all vendors will ship to a po box, some will refuse. So it might be a good idea to ask these potential vendors in advance.

 

So what if SWIM uses his actual name when emailing a vendor, as well as using his actual name for the po box? Any thing wrong with that? I mean if customs interferes and contacts me, I can simply say I never ordered it correct?

 

This is all sorta a grey area for me... because I don't want to give the wrong impression that it is ok for anybody to order what ever the hell they want online... you know?

But, if small amounts of chemicals that are not specifically illegal are being ordered online, and there are no plans of ingesting the chemicals, then yea. There isn't much to worry about. If customs intercepts the package, they are simply going to destroy it if nobody trys to claim it.

Of course, this could change any day.

It really doesn't matter if a fake name is used, in my opinion. Sure, it'll make it more difficult to trace everything back to the person who ordered it, but in reality, if they really want to bust you they are going to find you.

For example, they will just wait until the person comes to open the po box and catch them there... doesn't matter what name they used in this case, they've been caught red handed.

 

Lets just say 1g of 2c-t-7, which you probably know is sched 1..

Just want to know opinion on that..

Thanks a lot by the way :]

 

I believe the usps doesn't pay attention to the name sometimes. You could give the vendor a fake name with your real address, and then if something happens to the package just be like hey that's not my name the package couldn't possibly be mine. I'm not 100% on this though.

 

Normally, I'd rather have this sort of discussion kept to a PM, but your still a guest and cannot send or receive.

Edited to add: However, there are many reports of people successfully receiving... so... yea, take that as you will.

Are you related to an esoteric from another board?

 

Yea, they will often deliver a package to the address whether or not the name matches.

However, remember, that if they really want to try and bust you (which I doubt they would do over one gram of an rc), they will go to extra lengths to prove that it was you who ordered the chemical. There are many ways they can go about this, so you would need to make sure you covered ALL your tracks.

I'm not advising anybody to do this. Don't break the law.

 

I see what you're saying, but when I think about all the people I know that just send it to their homes, it makes it seem too easy; I guess it's way too misleading.

Technically, how would they know if the mail had my name on it or not? I guess I could get a PO box, and test it out by sending it a letter that isn't to me and doesn't have my name on it.

 

Yea, lots of people do order and have stuff sent to there houses without problems. That could change one day though.

 

(This is based on my experience with law enforcement in my country, keep this in mind)
What really matters is the payment. If they can trace the payment back to you, then you may have problems. Also, messing with PO boxes is unnecessary. A reliable friend is all you need (with a clean house). Make the vendor ship to your friend and make sure you leave no trace that links you or your friend to the order (anonymity on the internet, method of payment). This way all you risk is a LL.

I am not saying that ordering substances off the internet is without risks but if you are careful, there isn't much to worry about.

 

Odds on dude getting busted are admittedly slim. None the less, here are my answers to his questions. IMHO…

I suspect she is telling the truth, or at least thinks she is.

Have it mailed to a house.

I doubt most people use PO Boxes. Your name is attached to it, just like a residence. What’s the point?

No. It’s going to be quite obvious to judge or jury that you’re lying. You emailed the vender in your own name. You registered the PO Box in your own name. Your lawyer is not going to sit there and argue that you didn’t order them. Unless he sucks.

Not a bad idea there. But letter smetter. Send a test package.

 

Sending to a PO BOX almost makes it seem more unlegit then a home. I believe if any one was ever going to prosecute someone for RC's when theyre receiving them so called "anonymously" theres more grey area that leads to you doing worse things then using for personal use. I guess to me it just seems like more of a hassle and if theyre going to bust you for an RC they can always just wait at the POBOX place and bust you there. Why even bother?

 

"Why even bother" My thoughts exactly. Like salmon4me said, the chances of getting busted are slim anyways.

Personally, I wouldn't want to have my stuff delivered to a friends house. I would hate to bring one of my friends into the equation, because if I choose to take the risk of ordering then I might as well be taking the associated risks along with it. But thats just me, lol. I don't want to putting any stress or risks on a friends shoulders.

Also, there's always the chance that your friend could rat you out if confronted by law enforcement. They tend to use some pretty gnarly techniques to get people to confess. How do you know that he is not going to bend under pressure if questioned/threatened? Again, though, the chances are low. Especially over a small quantity of some rare research chemical.

 

Haha so true... So true...

I love having the police interrogate me, its happened a few times in my life. And they get pissed because obviously Ive watched CSI and NYPD blue shit I obviously know they wouldnt be interrogating me UNLESS THEY HAD NO CONCRETE EVIDENCE...So usually I just sit there with a half smile and say sorry officer I have no idea what your talking about....am I under arrest or can I leave now?....Sadly enough not all my friends are hip to that so they openly admit what they did, and I get sucked in to...for shame...you have to be retarded to ever incriminate yourself to a cop...gotta love my tangent! Seriously people trip to hard about this, are you guys trying to buy like 13 kilos of RC's? If you have a fucking 2 ton crate of AMT coming to your house, be scared! But if its a measely gram or something?... Whats the point on tripping out about it...

 

That's what friendship is about IMO, helping each other. I mean, if you're into RCs, chances are good you have something incriminating in your house, in your WU history or you had problems with LE before, so that your friend can receive much safer than you.

As for ratting, you have to choose your friends carefully . And yeah, small amounts will earn you a LL at worst.

 

I kinda wonder something. How does one begin to look for vendors? And what exactly can I try to acquire with sed vendors?

 

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=320800&f=126

 

I know that but you aren't the person I wanted to reply...

 

Edit: had my question answered.