Shameless_Heifer and Haight Ashbury

Isn't it though?? Ahh..I always love your stories Mary, how is the book thing coming along?? This is a great thread...lovin' it...

 

We have warriers now.You call them the pigs.We also have the military.We have too damn many warriers already.
What happened to peace and love?I guess their not enough.

 

If it wasnt for the wariors the timmid and weak and old and very young would have noone to stand up for ther rites as human beings they would be looked over by the corperation big wigs who dont see them as part of the prosperous machine.they would be cast aside with the rest of the rubbish.and the vulturs of sociaty would pick them clean.

 

Come on,we are talking about the angels aren't we?They're going to help me stand up to the big corperations?They are a big corperation.Do they stand with the field workers?How about the blacks?Have you ever even met a black angel?How many joined in order to help old people or thought to themselves "if I become an angel I can distribute toys?I stand up for the timmid and weak and old but I don't carry a knife or a gun.That would just make me another pig.As far as the very young,I just kinda laugh at them.They're young,they'll get it....and what do you mean the rest of the rubbish?They're not rubbish.
peace

 

you can readinto it whatever way yu want it doesnt matter what anyone say about what ,there is always some one whos gonna see it in a differant light than you yu got your oppenion and i have mine you want to argue about bullshit sokay with me i dont mind but dont take things out of context and try to use them against me it dont fly DONT BE HATE-EN its all about whats inside show show yur guts

 

Yes i have as a matter of fact.and he told me they call them bats. LOL

 

I got whatevered!Your supposed to stop talking after doing it though.Oh yea here's my guts can you see them?
I guess people who carry weapons are really there just for the love...and the speed problem around here is just their way of showing it....keep plugging your book

 

Gate,
Are you saying because there are some Angels that sell speed the whole Club is evil and rotten. And are you saying we souldn't have the right to bare arms, for our own protection. We of the 60's faught to save our diminishing constitutional rights, like: freedom of speach and the right to protect your home and family. I do not condone the use of any man made drug. I dispise what it does to the youth of amerkia, but dealers come in all walks of life. I also despise the need that brought ones to be on that path. It leads only to distruction and loss. I walked that path many moons ago, I can say.
I dont think that the Angels were the real issuse of this thread, just a rememberance of times gone by, when people and attitudes were different. I think being in the city has a lot to do with so much violence, too much energy in one aera and most of it is negative energy, as people and the earth are discontent with the way things are going. My intent here was not to challange, only to remenise.
Why the anger Gate, there has been no harm intended here. If you have a personal problem with the Angels maybe you should take it up with them. Maybe they don't realize that it upsets you to hear good things about them and they should stop selling speed to the kids and get jobs so when you hear something good about them you can agree and it wont upset you when and if I speak of them in the future.

 

Are you talking about the Well known "Hell's Angels"?????
These guys are part of OUR fucking team!!!!!!!!!!!!
Every Christmas for as long as I can remember, these guys do the same thing the US Marines do. Collect Toys for the unfortunate. One of them MAY have collected my daughter's Teddy Bear one Christmas! Otherwise she would have only had my love. For a child, that just isn't enough.
Thanks again to whoever helps someone else.

 

Right to bear arms!I guess living on the Haight in itself doesn't make you a hippie.The same as distributing toys doesn't make you non-violent.

 

Gate,
Please don't callange my integrity. Being a hippie was not all love and hippie beads. We had to fight!! We were under attack. I don't know where you were in the 60's, but I was right in the middle of Haight Street getting my knee cap busted by "King and Christianson' for walking down the street minding my own biz. Along came Sonny Barger on his way back to Oakland, with a few of his budz stopping to see why the pigs were beating a 17 yr old girl with their nightsticks.

When Sonny and his budz pulled up the beat cops stoped beating ( ever wonder why they were called 'Beat' cops). I laid there crying holding my knees where they had bashed their batons across them. I couldn't stand up and one of the dudes ( Maury) picked me up and sat me on the back of his Harley and took me to his Ole' Lady "Chopper" and she popped my knee cap back into place and put ice on my bruised body. I stayed with them for a coulpe of weeks and they took care of me. They were very good to me and asked nothing from me. I met several Angels during that time and in later yrs. Some of them Reaked and were hostile trying to push me and scare me, calling me Fresh Meat. Chopper, the one that had nursed me back to health handed me a cast iron skillet and told me to use it if I had too, as she did she looked straight at the dude that was hassling me ( Rowdy) and he backed off.

Blackie in a previous post I was asking, what would the ones in the country do when the shit came down and all the city dwellers came down upon us like locust,. If I remember correctly you posted that you would come watch my back and pick them off or something to that affect. Now if I'm understanding what you are saying, you now say that I'm not a hippie if I bare arms. As to say, own a gun. I own three guns, a 410 over and under my daddy left me, a 20 gauge shotgun and a colt 45. My hubby has about a dozen various rifles and shotguns. We live in the country and hunt,trap and fish for our food. We have used these tools (guns) many times to save our livestock from preditors, we have used them to rid our pathways of poisonous snakes so our babies can play freely in the yard. We have never had occation to use them on a human being or the inclanation to do so. But if under attack and if our family and home were jeprody, I would not hesitate to 'fire at will'. If that makes me unhippiiefied well so be it. I have earned my right of passage and I answer to no man for my beliefs.

Blackie I know you dont really mean to be demeaning or narrow minded and you don't hate me or my 'calf', you just see things in a different light. I have not been in contact with any Angels in 25 yrs., I was just remenising not promoting. Your in a place were you see the all the ugly of humanity and the dregs of society and the injustise of the system. Your have a different prospective then most of us do. Neither of us are right or wrong, we just are who we are. Our paths all lead us to the same place eventualy and there we will face our karma. We all help in our own way and in our own time, we all have Buddah in us, we all have our lessons to be learn. We have all come to this place in this time to connect with what we promised to do on the other side when we devised this plan together.

I don't belive that guns are bad in themselves, what intent that they are used is the issue. Guns, arrows, clubs, sticks and stones, there has always been some type of instrument of distruction/weapon, I don't think we would have survived as a species if we hadn't have had them, we would have all been eaten by a sabortooth tiger or T-Rex (shiver). If I were up against a fence with wild banshee's coming at me I would hope I had a means of defence as I am 5'2" and would be trampled under foot and my babies would be eaten alive. Yes we have gun racks in our trucks but we don't take them out and play with them. It's the way of the west out here. Help your neighbor bring in the crops or build a barn or put a new roof on, cook out and drink beer when the work is done and stand together when the shit comes down. We take care of our own, don't you, doesn't everyone when the chips are down. Ask yourself if you would fire at will if they were bustin' in your doors to do you and your family harm.
That's all I can relate right now.

 

First you used blackiie's name a few times.I'm sure that was a mistake.


I learned from the Hells Angels and hippie flower children

Bad enough to kick your ass but too kind to do it.

It's these two phrases that I put together that started it.I guess it was probably just the testosterone talking.I don't care whose ass he can kick.
I also contend anybody that belongs to a group that relies on intimidation for it's reputation has got a problem(sounds like many religions).I've known angels and I've known prospects that didn't join cause they didn't want to be part of a group mentality.They were individuals.
I think I said that I'd pick them off at the top of the hill if they made it through the pass.I'm sorry that was purely in jest and i didin't think it would be taken seriously.There ain't no shit coming down.We don't need guns for protection.We also don't need to hunt for our food,but that's another story.The hippie myth is all about peace and love and groovies,but you're right,violence was part of hippie history ,the white panthers had a gun in their emblem and the black panthers openly carried rifles.When I lived off telegraph most of the girls i knew carried knives,but even back then i didn't think of these people as hippies,just street people or parinoid city people,freaks.Some good,some bad.I guess i'm just a pacifest,if given the chance peace will eventually win out.

 

Shameless Heiffer,
I have been armed to the teeth since back in the day when we lived in a rough neighborhood and I got robbed a coupla times and was worried about my girlfriend (now wife) getting raped. If this excludes me from the Hippie Brethern then I guess I am excluded. From the hippie days I came to the conclusion that there is a small percentage of humanity that is just plain no good and that you had better defend yourself from them. "Better to have a gun and not need it than need one and not have it," the old saying goes. Both our growup kids are proficient with firearms and our son's "Arch liberal COllege type" wife recently became convinced of the necessity of keeping them in the house? They live out in the boonies and it seems a bear came calling. Our son fired a few rounds from the carbine I gave him over the interloper's head and that ended that. There are also some exceedingly NASTY people in his neck of the woods and all an unarmed citizen is to them is an easy mark. Could I kill a human being? Absolutely and without hesitation if it were necessary.
Tundrahopper

 

maybe you should sell your guns and move to a better neighborhood where your wife won't get raped.Why was there a bear at your son's house.Does he store his food and trash properly?Was it a black bear or a grizzly?I contend dealing with a grizzly it is best to have a gun,but once again I would suggest if his house was that dangerous that he move.Don't put your families in danger.I'll also contend there is a small percentage of people that will do you harm,they go into good neighborhoods and do harm,but the chances are your guns would be useless and there's a good chance they'd be stolen.

 

Day after day,guns do more harm than good.

 

about the hell's angels issue, i think theres a good and bad within everything you encounter and you shouldn't judge a whole organization by what a couple of people are portrayed as within that group. for example alot of people believe the police are meant to protect the peace and keep violance down, such as murderers and so forth but theres no denying that within the police organization theres alot of "crooked cops" that are partaking in the vary activities that there organization was sent forth to stop.so i guess what im trying to say is yeah there's some power hungry hells angels out there who only joined the gang to gain that "bad boy" reputation but there might also be some hells angels out there who joined the gang for other purposes aswell.another example is the triads who sell drugs to bring revenue and money to there country to strengthen the economy.

anyways when it all comes down to it be it good or bad just try to keep the peace

 

Gate,
Move we did-but I still kept my firearms. And you are really not "safe" anywhere in this world-just "safer" in some places as opposed to others. I don't have the big emotional investment in guns that some people have in either the positive or negative columns-they are simply tools. I think it comes from those summers I spent up at my grandfather's farm in the fifties. And like any tool you have got to know how they work, how they are to be used, and where their place is-and first and foremost you have to have respect for the potentials you are dealing with. Handling a firearm carries way more responsibility than say driving a car. You should have seen how Grandpa would hand me that old .22 and instruct me just where to point it and what to avoid. It's rather crazy that a lot of people who own these things have no comprehension of the physics of the situation. There are definitely some people who should NOT own firearms-ie the unstable and/or chemically dependant. For others it should definitely stay an option. My son? He is not going to be run out of his paradise by anybody or anything.
hope this helps,
Tundrahopper 4

 

I guess if robert blake hadn't forgot his gun in the restaurant he would have been able to save his wife.It's not you it's them others.We'd be safer if there wasn't idiots with guns out there.Who decides who is capable of ownership?You say chemically dependent.What about pot and alcohol?What about stable sober people that are just careless?What about that church member that shot up his congregation last week,they thought he was stable.The btk killer lived normally for 30 years.Prisoners are even taking guns from the guards and killing judges.Not let me hear some recent stories about how someone was saved by a gun.Also if your son is gonna play woodsman he needs to learn how to live with bears.Bears avoid people.When trash and food aren't handled properly it pulls the bears in,creating problems.Mostly for the bear.This is true at home,and on the trail.peace

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sorry Blackie, I don't know why I put your name in there, mix up on my part, forgive me please.

Look I'm not condoning what some do with guns. But it's one of the tools my family depends on. When I lived in The Haight, the dream was to get some land and live off of it. Living off the grid takes work and foriging for food and materials. Living in the woods away from the big city factor you have to drive 45 mile to get to anywhere. We also don't like the high prices of the food in the stores, so we grow our own and hunt, trap and fish for our meat. We have guns for that purpose mainly and for protection second.

Tundra, Peace rules but if it comes down, I'm going down fighting. I don't roll over. I never have and I never will. I been raped, I been beat up, I aint gonna be again. EVER.
I dont ever handle my guns unless I'm cleaning them or shooting snakes. I have been forced to shoot a few dogs that were killing my pigmy goats and eating their babies. I haven't had occation to kill a human being but I have shot warning shots a time or two. I guess it's different for us country folk, we look at guns as we look at an ax to chop our fire wood for the winter. Anyway, I'm in agreement with you.
I belive in peace, but I aint no chicken.

 

and now your killing the snakes.City people move to the country and start killing everything in sight.I use saws and wedges for my wood,much more effective.