Are there women who seriously think men should like all women for how they look equally reguardless of how they look? I understand that the media causes us to have both consciously and subconscoiusly unrealistic expectations, but I still think if that prejudice and all other unnatural prejudices didn't exist, men still wouldn't find some women (particularly obese women) attractive.
I think there's a big difference between saying that someone isn't to your taste, and railing against htem for being unattractive or overweight or what have you. I take issue with really nasty attitudes towards people who don't have perfect bodies because, not with having a set of preferences.
Yes. There seriously are women who think men should like all women for how they look equally reguardless of how they look.
I thought you made a resonable arguement until this point, I know people that are attracted to obese women, I know people that are attracted to obese men. so I think your example was based on what you don't find attractive S
I am wondering to what degree the media has warped my mind. Obesity is a serious preventable disease and I don't find obese women attractive. Would I find obese women attractive if I hadn't been exposed to modern media? If I had been raised in a culture that tought me to believe obese women were beautiful, then I would be asking "Would I find skinny girls attractive if my mind hadn't been warped by the media?". The question is would people still discriminate if their thoughts on what is or isn't attractive were blank. I think that they would, but what I am being told is that they wouldn't. I said "(particularly obese women)" because that is what guys I know dislike, and that is why girls I know starve themselves because they think "I am so fat" and then they develop anorexia, bulimia, ect... This isn't only about what I don't or don't like. It is about the U.S. in general. People are being programmed by the media, but does anyone have any idea as to what degree?
yes granted we are all made by the times we are in, if you look back at pictures of women from centuries ago many people may find them obese by todays standards, however they where admired for their beauty. I believe much of this was the believe that a larger body boded well for giving birth to strong off spring, its a shame that this aspect of woman hood isn't as celebrated by the masses today. however I certainly know men that are turned on by big mammas and don't forget there arre women that are turned on by big women also S
This questions sounds like it's trying to be rhetorical, but in reality, shouldn't be asked at all. There is no self-examination/morality issue here. Chase who you're attracted to - let everybody else worry about who they're taking to bed.
its interesting that Green is talking about prejudices, when in actual fact I think his post is bordering on a prejudice itself. his post seems to be suggesting that all men find women sexually attractive that all men find obese women unattractive also the post seems to be based on looks and thats not the only thing thats attractive in a person. finally if this question is being asked I would suggest that if some women do feel that men should find them attractive equally then this would also apply to some men that feel that they should be found equally attractive by others S
Yes, I am prejudiced. That is what this thread is about. How prejudiced am I? I'm not suggesting that all men find women sexually attractive. I know there are gay men. I'm not saying all men find obese women unattractive, just me and all the guys I know. Its been shown that looks are paramount for men seeking women. For women, how much money the man makes is paramount.
I must say i am very lucky because i no longer see what people find generally attractive, i can only see what i find attractive.
I had a fling with this girl last year and money was the last thing she cared about, honestly it wasnt not paramount beyond survival. I wish things had worked out better
That sorta seems to be his point though. Seems to me he's trying to figure out what his instinct and preference is over what society's been programed to prefer. It's an interesting question to ask broadly and I think media has a huge impact on programming our preferences. Some more than others and not always directly, for example watching sexy TV ads may not be as influential as say being raised by a mother that obsessed over wieght due to her personal reactions, or a father that insults anyone that isn't ribtastically skinny because of his upraising or the effect of media on him When it comes down to examining things on the personal level though, you might as well find a wall to bang your head up against. Spooner's right. Now the generalization bout chicks and cash - maybe you're trolling here or maybe that's the enviroment you're in. If the latter, then make sure you're factoring that in and realize that maybe you don't have enough perspecitve to come to a hard conclusion. Which is perfectly fine 'cause hard conclusions only hurt the brain more when they are shattered. (Nothing wrong with questioning or thinking though!! It's those pesky conclustions) And you know what, maybe he didn't mean to include gay men but they're effected by the same thing. They can be just as influenced by the media's portrayal of good looking. Infact from my own enviroment, I see more fat chicks in regular clubs pickn' than I see fat men in gay clubs - infact I rarely see fat men at the gay club at all. (But there are pudgy lez's there and they have no problems hookn' up ). Anyways, enough pre-tea ramble...
I care to what extent the media has programmed my prefreneces. I didn't say that how much money a man makes it paramount to women because that what I think or would like to think. I said that because that is what the data taken from dating sites has shown. Its not true of all women, but of women in general it is true, as it is not true that for all men looks are paramount, but for men in general they are.
I don't look for a man that has money. I look for a man that loves me. My boyfriend is broke as a joke and I wouldn't trade him for anything. Trust me, that's NOT what a woman looks for. I think it's very ignorant of you to assume that every man likes only skinny women. I know plenty of larger-obese women that have a man, who is not fat at all, that loves them just as much as my skinny women friends boyfriends love their girls. I think it's a matter of whether or not you can be un-superficial enough to look past a few extra pounds here and there and see a woman for what she really is. I know a lot of skinny, beautiful women that can't get a boyfriend because they're superficial and bitchy. They have no personality. But, it does all come down to what you prefer....and in most cases, media has screwed with what most men find sexy. Having said that, I wouldn't date a man that was larger. It's just not something I find attractive. No, the media hasn't screwed my views on a man, I don't even like what the media portrays as sexy. I like 'em skinny and nerdy. That's not something a lot of women find sexy, but I just dig a man with glasses and that's just as dorky as me.
I wouldn't use stats from dating sites as a basis for anything, except for generalizing specifically about women who use those dating services. Not all things lend themselves to straight extrapolation. It's bad logic. ((hehe...I said generalizing specifically...))
