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their is somthing called phychosis it happens when a person does to much hallucinogens it is very similar to a specific type of scitszophrenia the only difference between the two is that phychosis is caused by brain damage and scitzophrenia is caused by organic brain syndroms

but they both effect the same area of the brain

phychosis is the result of a hole in the brain

the particular region of the brain that is effected is the occipital lobe which is involved in the perception of color

The person may feel disoriented and see spots of color they may also display symtoms of obsessive compulsive disorder or display phonic or motor ticks phychosis can also result after using lots of amphedamines or a little bit of amphedamines with alot of alcohol.

This is how me and syd barret went insane

 

Good times man.

 

dramamine yes saddly I have done dramamine and dextromethorphan I've robotripped from place to place trying to find the purpose of meaning and i've even met up with Jim Morrison in my dreams

 

my freind and I even made what we like to call bathroom cystals thats where you take all the stuff in your bathroom like the drain cleaner and the listerine and mix it with the bleach
you then take the salt that forms and snort it

thats about the time that you notice the brain damage

 

you sound like a true expert. you damage your brain, then you go claiming that all hallucinogens cause brain damage? what causes brain damage is huffing non medical grade solvents, overuse of dxm, and using meth. lsd wont give you brain damage.

 

Tell that to the original singer for pink floyd man and and my dads freind norman who also went insain

 

insanity isnt the same as brain damage. you can have a psychotic break on grass or just about anything.

 

correction insanity can result from brain damage

 

yes, insanity can result from many substances and situations but to assume that someone received insanity from brain damage is a bit presumptuous. often it is situational. anyway i know some acid heads from the 60s myself and they are perfectly sane. alot of people like to spread rumors about lsd, like many psychedelics some people can handle it and some people cant but there is a distinct difference between recieving brain damage and going crazy because your mind cant handle the trip.

 

There such a thing as amphetamine psychosis, and amphetamine induced schizophrenia. Amphetamine psychosis, is a combination of a lack of food and sleep and amphetamines. The symptoms are identical to schizophrenia, but amphetamine psychosis is not permanant. The same can be had with cocaine. Amphetamine pyschosis can sometimes last for several weeks, when cocaine psychosis usually goes away in a couple days, after use of the drug has stopped. Amphetamine induced schizophrenia is just latent schizophrenia triggered by amphetamines, because they fuck around with dopamine and seratonin.

 

LSD does NOT cause "holes in the brain." However, like Primus said, some people can have a form of drug induced psychosis. Usually people who are already predisposed to a psychotic break.

It used to be beleived that LSD was "psychomimetic" meaning it mimiced psychosis. This is really not true, as schizophrenics have different types of hallucinations (usually auditory) than people using LSD. Some forms of "rapture" from acid are similar to a Bi Polar's manic state, though. Not indentical.

 

The mindstate and hallucinations caused by LSD are far from psychosis or schizophrenia. However cocaine psychosis and amphetamine psychosis are identical in almost every way to schizophrenia.

 

ummm....wow, thread parent makes little or no sense, and the "bathroom crystals" make my soul hurt. YES: anything like bleech or drain cleaner that starts launching Cl-
's and OH-'s and H+'s all around your brain is going to FUCK YOU UP PERMANENTLY. LIKE DEAD. "Syd Barrett" did not go insane because of just LSD. Do you think only he dosed in that band? Hardly. Amphetamines will make you crazy, and probably as good as dead anyway. Kick that shit, and these days they really are watching you. Not that LSD is not dangerous, but it won't make you a schizophrenic if you aren't one already. Don't use psychedelics or other drugs to kill yourself the slow way, it's tragic and gives real psychedelic users a bad name.

 

Great point Primus.

 

did they only use lsd? probvoly not
did they have mental disorder before hand?proboly
does your arguing make sense?no

 

How much LSD have you eaten in your lifetime?
How much experience do your or your source of information have with LSD and/or schizophrenia?
Having been exposed to both, I have to disagree. LSD can be very much like schizophrenia. lots of LSD can have a lasting irreversible effect. moderation is a good thing.
coke and many other drugs can trigger schizophrenia (not to mention so many other things) especially if someone is genetically more likely.
it s important to know that LSD can cause this too.

 

Wonton, if you have "experience" with schizophrenia, your experiences with Acid will be colored and changed because of your disease. In people without psychosis, acid has been shown to NOT be psychomimetic. But, as you have experienced psychosis (if I am reading your post right) then your acid experiences will not be the norm.

 

Hi Maggie. let me clarify my previous post.
I had a best friend who ate lots of acid. I dotn mean he ate 3 hits I mean, He and his friends had access to lots of fresh liquid in san fran and they were dipping sheets.
anyway, I have eaten my fair share too. I ate half a sheet at lollapalooza once (i do not recommend this at all.)
I did not experience "psychosis" but I definitely consider auditory and visual hallucinations and the paranoia to be similar to some schizophrenic symptoms.
I am not schizophrenic but my friend that ate much more than me is now in prison for attempted aggravated murder due to his untreated schizophrenia that occurred as a RESULT of eating so much acid and Im sure his genetics didnt help too much either.
so, I am not the schizophrenic, just an ex-acid-eater who now knows better thanks to the experiences of a long lost friend.
p.s. every person has some sort of psycological challenges.

 

Well, that is what acid does. And why "experts" for years considered it like psychosis, but although "similar" acid in a few aspects, in a normal person (even one with psychological "challenges") is still not experiencing a form of psychosis while tripping. The "Paranoia" most feel is not the same as a paranoid schizophrenic. A lot of times people perceive hyperawarness (common with acid) as "paranoia" but real paranoia is VERY different.

As for your freind, he may well have had predisposing factors. If he is now psychotic, he did.

Psychosis is not in the same ballpark as regular garden variety "challenges."

 

his paranoia while tripping and not was not "hyperawareness" by any means. His paranoia was very real.
every drug effects different people in different ways. PERSONALLY, I think that his behavior and what he described to me sounded very much like a bad acid trip. only he couldnt come down.
everyone can hash out the technicalities here on this forum (which is great) but I do and will always believe that LSD does psycological harm. Im not telling anyone what to do(recreational things in moderation are awesome), I just think saying it does no harm is dangerous.
some people really do flip their lids permanently from tweaking their brain chemistry in the name of good clean fun.