rencarnation and memory

Discussion in 'Buddhism' started by Art Delfo, May 17, 2005.

  1. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    Consieness is linked with memory because without memory we would only be living for one moment not having time to think.1 second is the past allready and you can never have that moment back.How then can we be rencarnated if we do not rember our past life.Memory is part of you and it makes you who you are.Any thoughts?.....
     
  2. Zion

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    Wow nice thoguths sir. Umm. the Present moment holds inevitible truths every topic. When we feel the we a denying these truths we call it our conscince. Maybe?
     
  3. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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  4. John221

    John221 Senior Member

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    I think it has a lot to do with recognising the difference between the true self and the false self.

    Also, in Buddhism, all things but the truth are considered impermanent. Is this not true of most memories as well as physical objects? As we grow older, we gradually become less and less able to remember certain things.
     
  5. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    Im talking about the memory that make you you not as in "I had a birth mark when I was 5"
     
  6. John221

    John221 Senior Member

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    But is the individual not merely an illusion anyway?
     
  7. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    I dont think we as individuals are illusions.The world we precive to be "are" world is a illusion.We all walk around in a "real world" but the world in fornt of our eyes is an illusion.
     
  8. Bikshu

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    no, the physical world is not an illusion, it is. What is our illusion is that we break it up into smaller pieces, when it is, in fact, one supreme organism.

    (Panthesist ideas)
     
  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Art,
    This is something we have kicked around here before. There is something referred to in Buddhism as a "subtle something" I forget what; that ties us from incarnation to incarnation. Buddhism does not believe in a soul or an independant self. So there is no one to remember a past life.
    You are not reincarnated, the "I" experience is reencarnated, in my view. There is no self to continue from life to life.

    Yes, Memory is what links moment to moment in awareness and gives us the illusion of a continous independant self.

    ...I just remembered..."Subtle thread".
     
  10. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    Then whats the point of living if your just going to rebirthed again and repeat your mistakes because you cant remeber anything form your past life?If there is no self then who am I then who are you?
     
  11. White Feather

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    Just because you've forgotten something doesn't mean that it never happened.

    Today the the Sci-Fi channel had an episode on re-incarnation. Some people had memories which of things they could not have known about, like the painter who remembered painting a certain portrait, only to see an exact painting in a museum.

    The painting was being shown for the first time since 1912 and there are no known books which have reproductions.

    He looked into the life of the painter and he had been married to two women. In this life he was married to two women with the same names as the painter had been married to.
     
  12. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    but its like say some one has lost his memory......what if he wakes up a toataly different person.Thats all I am saying.With all my memoery gos my personality....
     
  13. Spiritforces

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    To try get you somewhere
    I would say that often eastern people recognize major "mind - spririt" that incarnates sometimes thru history

    Read the story of Padma Sambhava and Its (His) "tertöns" that discover messages he left in the real world for us to discover thru history

    Many incarnations come from the same source in that case
    Could it even be more general and apply for all of us

    The phrase "remember past lives" made me smile, so i wrote this and I continue:

    Memory is not an useful tool to find the now
    Often I have the feeling I have to "write" in my memory so that I can use that later
    It means you also can choose to not "write" so to not remember

    I am not sure that with your memory goes all your personality, Art Delfo
    actually I think it is kinda "wrong" to say that.

    There is something in the air, to be felt and seen
    There are signs, certainly everywhere of what we really are

    To say the truth my dreams experience let me tell you that it is possible for one to have intuition for himself and for others, I mean you can experiment what an other being experimented or experiment (i mean living or...)

    You do not use memory to be,
    when you hungry you go pick something in the fridge right?
    Do you need to remember something to act, no

    What is a personality then Art Delfo?

    I assure you, one can be an human and live, think something about it and not to remember it later,
    One choose to remember,
    you choose to think about the past
     
  14. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    But I want to stay who I am.........part of it has been shaped by my life exprence so far.
     
  15. Spiritforces

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    Trust that part

    Blessings
     
  16. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    If no one remebers something and there is no evidence to show it happend did it happen?Even things that are gone leave behind some kind of evidence that it was there.And therefore we remeber it.Memorey is merly a record.That record has a great impact on you and shapes you.Would you lose yourself with it if it went away?
     
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    If no one remebers something and there is no evidence to show it happend did it happen?

    To remember something is, to me, already an interpretation
    An interpretation of what is.

    Would you lose yourself with it if it went away?

    Yes I would, I would lose the perception of myself thru history,

    As I said it is accurate to see that there is a moment in the now that you use to remember, yuo are acting doing this
    the moment in the now when you need to remember, you "recall" something.

    But it wouldn't change anything for me to live the now of my life

    "What you owns possess you"

    Love
     
  18. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    As far as who you are in relation to memory.

    I was in an accident one time and in the ambulance I came to the realization that the attendants kept asking me my address. I thought that was odd and told them that I had just given them that information. My wife was with me and said no you didn't, you couldn't remember what it was, we asked you several times. My long term memory was gone and my short term only lasted for a second or two. Luckily I returned to normal in a short time.

    Who was I when my memory was gone?

    I had a friend who was in a comma for 6 months. He awoke, ate, slept, etc. for several weeks, but had no memory. He regained his awareness while taking a shower. He told me he remembered riding his motorcycle then he was taking a shower.

    Who was he for those 6 months?
     
  19. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    I dont mean that


    I mean like

    people change as they go through life
    their exprence shapes their personality
    a person who may have been nice through a bad exprence become mean
    in this way memorey shapes who you are
    I was once social
    now I am shy
    If I were to lose what makes me who I am
    I would not be me
    being you is one of the most important things
    if you are not yourself then who are you?
    When rebirthed as a dumb baby or animal
    you would be a differnt person with a clean slate
    no infulence
    you are a differnt person
    you have lost yourself in death
    but then whats the point of ever living?
     
  20. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    You are swimming in deep water Art!![​IMG]

    You are seeking permanence in a world of change.
    One way of defining the self in Buddhism is as a combination of five aggregates: Feelings, Perceptions, Dispositions, Concisousness, and the Body. Yet none of these are permanent. They all change from moment to moment; for each aggregate we can say:

    "It is not mine." -Buddha

    None of the aggregates is you.

    But still the feeling of a self that experiences these aggregates arises:

    "He is not me." -Buddha
    The illusion of a self is not you either.

    Yet a self exists in the ordinary world, as if I stop eating, I surely will die and the aggregates disperse.

    He is not myself."
    -Buddha
    Even this ordinary person that walks the Earth is not your true nature.

    Different levels.

    Now, who experiences each one?
    This is who does not die and is never born.
     

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