Religion is US schools

Discussion in 'Protest' started by timberwolf90, Feb 11, 2005.

  1. timberwolf90

    timberwolf90 Member

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    I believe that they (teachers, districts, organizations...) should teach about moral standers in public school. By not teaching a 'specific religion', schools are teaching Atheism. We need to tell kids what is right and what is wrong. Every religion (except Atheism) believes in some creator, God, Allah, or whatever.
    I have a petition out for people to sign. Here is the link: petition.

    If you agree or disagree or just want more of my input, e-mail me at

    angelbabywolf@yahoo.com

    Thank you
     
  2. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    I agree
     
  3. kitty fabulous

    kitty fabulous smoked tofu

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    parents should teach moral standards, not schools. the government has no right to be teaching any religion. that is the job of parents and churches, not schools. schools do not teach atheism. they do not teach that there is no god, they simply refrain from endorsing one religion over another. and the reason for that is that there are peoples of many faiths in this country, and we all have a right to be here.


    deal with it.

    and keep your chick tracts away from my kids.

    edited to correct the false statement in the original post: not every religion believes in a God or Creator. Taoism an Buddhism come to mind. yes, they're allowed to be here too.
     
  4. kitty fabulous

    kitty fabulous smoked tofu

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    http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLibertylist.cfm?c=139

    we all have a right to be here, and all our children have a right to an education. there are plenty of christian schools. if christian parents want their kids taught christian values in school, they should send them to christian schools. the rest of us have a right to educate our kids the way we see fit. schools should be neutral ground.
     
  5. The World of Dan

    The World of Dan FSMFTW

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    I'm not even going to post because I might regret what I might say - I will say this however, i'm with kitty all the way - SCHOOL IS ABOUT KNOWLEDGE, NOT FANTASY!!
     
  6. emilymiller

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    i disagree schools don't teach atheism in fact, at my school we learn about different religions. in world history we learned all about different religions all over the world buddhism, hinduism, catholicism. we weren't preached to. just taught. maybe thats just my school but... i live in the bible belt. so ya know
     
  7. kitty fabulous

    kitty fabulous smoked tofu

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    dan, dear, i'm not going to repeat the debate with you about religon and poetic truth. my concern is the state endorsement of one faith over the others. and there are just too many for equal representaion.
     
  8. Co0kiezGurl

    Co0kiezGurl Banned

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    I have to wholeheartedly agree with kitty in this thread. Well said hon.
     
  9. Small_Brown

    Small_Brown Senior Member

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    Do you have a problem with Atheism? Are you suggesting that because I am an athiest, that I do not have moral standards? Atheism is about taking responsibility for your own actions, being in control of your own life and not blaming everything on this "god" character. Moral standards and religion are two VERY different things. Religion had ABSOLUTELY NO PLACE in schools. You are there to learn about things such as science, math, biology and english...not about mythical figures that nobody has proven existance of.
    Just my $0.02
     
  10. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    Granted, it is up to parents to teach morals. However, the second most influential person in a child's life next to their parents is their teacher. Teachers must provide some sense of morals in their classrooms or else chaos would ensue throughout schools.

    Schools are allowed to teach the theory of evolution in science class. However, this is merely a theory.
     
  11. The World of Dan

    The World of Dan FSMFTW

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    evolution is not theory, it's proven fact. but not only is evolution taught, it's also explained why these things are known, and shows people how it works, and what steps were taken to come to that decision...

    They don't just say "this is what happened, believe it or go to hell"
     
  12. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    That is the funny thing. It is not a proven fact because scientists cannot determine the exact source. When something cannot be described from beginning to end with proof to back up a claim, it is a theory. Scientists have stated that the expansion (not explosion as some people claim) was caused by a singularity. They admit that they do not know what a singularity is. Without this information provided to justify, it is still questionable.

    For a science teacher to claim that this was how the world was created, while it is still a theory, is false and should not be part of education, other than stated as a theory of creation.
     
  13. The World of Dan

    The World of Dan FSMFTW

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    so you would have schools teach the biblical story of creation? Because that's backed up by tons and tons of hard fact and evidence? Tell me something, who wrote genesis?
     
  14. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    That is the point I am trying to make. Some people are against Christianity because they believe that there is no evidence to support it. They are in favor of evolution and scientists theories. If Christianity or any other religion in general is offensive to parents and they do not wish for their children to be subjected to it, then the theory of evolution, which does not have exact proof, should not be taught as part of school curriculum either.

    In psychology a professor makes note of several different theorists and theories so that we are aware of the opinions that exsist. If evolution is going to be spread in schools, it should be along the same basis. Religion has every right to be spread in schools in the same regard as well.
     
  15. The World of Dan

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    I have no problem with religion being taught in school... but not in the way that you're suggesting. Schools should teach about ALL religions, how they started, what they believe, why they believe it, etc.. - it's by teaching this in schools that you'll be able to promote tollerance, etc..

    What I'm opposed to is one religion being taught as the only religion.

    (and i'm sorry, but evolution has far more evidence that the story of creation - but you can't accept that because it blows away your misguided concept of the world away).
     
  16. Epiphany

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    I don't believe I have ever expressed my beliefs towards creation to you so you really are unaware of my views on the subject.
     
  17. The World of Dan

    The World of Dan FSMFTW

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    Maybe you should tell me - I'm interested...
     
  18. element7

    element7 Random fool

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    I'm downright sick of xtian fundamentalists wanting to spread their faith through the indoctrination stations known as schools. They do it all the damn time down here and it's disghusting how they get away with it. But lets say a teacher goes over Buddhism or heaven forbid, the Muslim faith, the fundies start jumping up and down like a bunch of lunatics. The first thing they do is point out how religion isn't supposed to be spread through public schools. They spread the message that that teacher is 'evil' and spreads lies about god, etc... Double standards all the way down the line. Keep your religion off of the kids and for darn sure keep it away from me, I don't want it, I don't need it, and the kids for damn sure don't need to be subjected to it as a form of 'education'.
     
  19. stickchick24

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    my thoughts: i was taught the fundamentals of different religions but i wasnt preached those religions. i think thats okay b/c i wasn't told which was viewed as the "correct" religion. anything more is religion in the gov't, violation of seperation of church & state.

    btw, there is SO MUCH evidence supporting evolution. for every piece of evidence for the existance of dinosaurs (if you "believe" in those) there are thousands for evolution. for example, in england when the coal factories were polluting the forests, dark colored moths survived while the white ones were disappearing b/c the dark moths blended w/ the soot. when the air became cleaner & the soot was off the light colored trees, then the white moth population took off. Evolution is merely the specialization of certain traits that separate it from its predecessors.

    I wish people were educated about what evolution is before they get their panties in a twist, so to speak. some catholics believe evolution was how god created the world. who says it cant be?

    thats my opinion

    Peace & love
     
  20. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    Since atheists believe that the fact that God does exsist cannot be proven, and since scientists fail to provide proof about the, "singularities", that caused evolution, then neither of them should be taught.
     

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