Qurestion about church attenders and true Christians

Do you think the people that make of the majority of the church are trully Christians?

(Not perfect... but have accepted Christ as their Savior and STRIVE to live according to the Bible)

 

What's a Qurestion?

 

it's an old one, but true: "Going to church doesn't make you a christian any more than going to McDonalds makes you a hamburgher."

 

This is very true...if it wasn't, I would have become a hamburger a long time ago...

 

All I know is,every time I did business with a professed Christ-ian,I had to check my wallet,call my girl friend,examine my belongings and add my pay up for it to be correct.If somebody starts blabbing about religion when I show up to make a bid on work,it seems I always " REMEMBER THAT i HAD SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO DO "like-------OH--drill new holes in my bowling ball or iron my tutus.

 

Well, Ok, to answer the 'qurestion', the answer is no. I don't see a lot of 'striving' going on, honestly. American 'Christians' (mainly the Protestant flavor) never saw a war they didn't like, are enthusiastic supporters of the death penalty in a country that doesn't even seem to care whether the people that are convicted are guilty or not-they have the highest divorce rate among any group on the planet Earth-the most dangerous neighborhoods in my part of the state also have the most churches-2 or 3 per block. My answer is no, I don't see a lot of "striving" going on, honestly. Sorry to disappoint you.

 

no. i go to church and im not a christian. and i know alot of the ppl that go to church, and so, i say a big fat NO

 

if you were really striving to be a good christian, or to be a good person, you wouldn't need to go to church. you might just for the experience, but it wouldn't be your primary religious fix. most people go to church to justify their ego. so they can say, "that's right. i go to church every sunday." and then anything else they do is okay. you can't hold a candle to their flame, because THEY go to church and that means THEY love jesus more... so, he must love THEM more than YOU. a true christian knows that every inch of god's planet is his church, and jesus loves every atom of creation with all that love can. most people do have good intentions, but they either only see one way to be, or are looking for the easy path to self acceptance and self love, which is through acceptance by another. if someone else tells them god loves them, they can feel a little better about themselves. even if they don't love god, don't believe in god's love, and don't really love themselves.

what they need to understand is god's love is infinite and they don't need to go to a special place to feel it stronger. every place is special. but most people don't even give it that much thought. they assume god is like an average person, who's love is conditional.



by the way, i'm not a "christian", exactly, and i don't try to be a "good" one, ever. i'm not trying to tell anyone they're wrong, but i find it sad that people turn their backs on invisable fear and chase anything else. if they just accepted what they thought was impossible, and faced what they find to be terrifying, they'd realize there is only love...

 

I only have experience with American christians, and generally, the answer is no. Although there are a LOT of American Christians who are against the war (I can't jump on your boat fully, Charise), it doesn't seem like many are pacifists or proponents of nonviolence. Many churchgoers judge others like crazy, whether they are members of the same church, of another church, or of no church at all. They are no better than anyone else, and I dont notice a big effort to improve. Also, the fact that they are so self-righteous for being "saved," they love to set themselves up above everyone else and talk shit. Spiritual pride is a terrible thing.

In short, although it's impossible to know truly what's going on in another person's head and heart, "You will know them by their actions" rings true most of the time, and the actions don't bear the belief out.

Not that all Christians are like this. Really it's like any other religion. Most are poor examples, and the minority really take the teachings to heart.

 

Thats the beauty of Christianity lol. Take a look at gangster Italians from back in the day. Just murdered a punk, and got him in the trunk of their car yet will get out and help a priest across the road, and will smack you for saying F&*k the Pope for instance.

 

There certainly are Christians who are against the war-the ones I'm referring to that aren't are mostly the Evangelical variety, the ones that you hear from the most. I completely agree that in any religion that the minority are really serious about taking the teachings to heart. Christianity is no exception, unfortunately.

 

I think your so called "true christians" need to start sending stronger messages. You can't expect the non-christian community to wade through all the crap to decide who's behaving "truely christian" or not. To us, what a christian is is someone who calls themselves christian, believes in god, and thinks their going to heaven, since we don't think that anyone is truley going to a place called heaven. All this "true christian, fake christian" stuff is all just a division amongst yourselfs, non-christians don't think any of you are going to heaven, so your brushing off their actions and poor example as not being "real christians" and that those chrisitans are not going to make it past judgement day doesn't really mean anything to us.

I guess what I am saying is that christianity is the tree and you all are the fruit. The tree is just as responsible for the bad fruit as it is for the good. You can't look at that fruit and claim that it belongs to another tree every time someone points the rotten fruit out.

 

Each man is responsible for their own heart.

No one can force love on someone else. If people that do no believe in Heaven and all that cared about Christianity they would see for themselves when they read the Bible that the Bible defines and states that there will be "true" christians an "false" Christians.

There are true and false in every religion I believe.

 

Unfortunatly, regardless of what the bible claims, we still have "christians" all over acting abhorently, being offensive and intolerant, and all the supposedly "true christians" do about it is say "they're not with us!"

Knowing that your religion is so corrupted by people who don't even live the belief doesn't make it any more appealing, and doesn't make the overall example christianity is giving any better.

Like I said before, it isn't up to the non-christians to pick through the christian masses and determine which of you your god would let into heaven, if heaven were a real place. Participants of a belief system mold that religion and the example it sets for the world, people outside of it do not. It would be much easier to be a good example for the world if all the bad ones were just dismissed as not christian! Take credit for the good, dismiss the bad...god is happy! Too bad in reality things don't work that way.

 

the good christians won't go up to someone and say "you are a bad example of christianity", because that is just as judgemental as anything the "bad christian" might say about gays or non-christians or WHOEVER. the idea is that good christians lead and convert by example, like christ himself did. so a good christian wouldn't even say "i am a christian", necessarily. it's not about earning a label. it's about living as christ did. or at least, i think, that's what it's SUPPOSED to be about.

 

the only christians I ever liked were the the ones that never said they were such.Only found out much later,often quite by accident.The ones that are always blabbing about how christian they are ,always disapointed me somehow(and still do)Or gave me a laugh when they inevitably revealed their hypocrisy

 

First of all, (and a quote Jesus) many people acknowledge Christ with their lips but their hearts are far from Him. Although people state that they are Christians, in reality, in their heart, where faith in Christ counts... These people are not Christians.

Also, please keep in mind that Christians sincere to the faith still sin and still do evil just like everyone else.

I think the people of this world have a scewd thinking that Christians are suppose to be perfect. We all fall short. But the Bible is clear... working hard to live like Jesus is the key to christianity not attaining perfection.

 

To fall short is normal. I don't expect perfection from anyone, christian or not. But to fall so glaringly short, and yet to still condemn others, to never admit to one's mistakes/sins really pisses me off. (Sort of like prez Bush, actually; he's never made a mistake, right?). The hypocricy is what really bugs me. These people just act nothing like Jesus, no matter how much they quote him; they are blind to their own shortcomings and deaf to all criticisms. The self-righteousness is sickening. What happened to humility, meekness, leading by example? If Jesus were around, he'd be condemning them EXACTLY as he condemned the Pharisees.

 

Probably... me included



However, I have to ask you this one question. Is it wrong for a Christian to ever correct a person according to the Bible?

 

Jesus wouldn't condemn anyone, he'd just provide a true escape from the demi-urges power in this world. And point out the masked fiends of the cloth, to be what they are. He wouldn't condemn though by the definition of the word.