Quantum states and possibilities of experience

This means that when one looks at life, a previously unrestricted and multiplistic number of possibilities becomes a single mode or observation with only one interpretation. Anything is possible when left unobserved, yet they become narrow and one-dimensional when an observer appears.

 

Observer effect?

Been thinking a lot about this recently, just didn't wanna start a topic cos it makes me look like a whackjob.. but have a scratch at this, it links nicely.

All life is for an individual is a bunch of tiny electric shocks zapping away in your brain. All the senses - you touch something and you only feel it cos you get a zap, look at something and get a zap etc..
Now take your brain and replace all your nerves and connect it up to a PC with a simulation that sends little zaps of fake sensory information to the brain. Assuming the mind stays conscious, it could experience anything the programmer wants it to.

So now return the brain to it's normal operating system, Life v2.012 and observe all the shit you wanna observe and come up with alllll these crazy theories which may or may not be true, but at the end of the day it doesn't really matter cos you're just getting electrocuted.

And I just fucked my head up with that last sentence because now I've really confused myself.. if our perceptions are so malleable, then our perceptions of our perceptions could be perceived as another perception of a perception which was previously based on an older perception... :leaving:

Time for a spliff.

 

Doesn't this neglect the influence of the experiencing mechanism? It seems to suggest every mind would have the exact same experience, independent of memories, cultural background and past experiences.

 

Realms of instant manifestation are before us all we need to do is wake up. I do enjoy my nice cozy dimension mostly built by reason though.

 

I don't think so, because we're not controlling someones consciousness with that make believe experiment, we're just giving them a completely different "reality" to experience. In theory, they're still able to make their own decisions and form their own memories.

 

Like a movie? Essentially you're experiencing what the moviemaker wants you to. But being in a car crash and watching one in a movie are two very different experiences.

 

Well I suppose it is in a way, but now I see what you're getting at my heads starting to hurt.
Using the car crash scenario.. It would be a lot more in depth than a movie because it would include all 5 senses in the experience, not just sight and sound coming from a shitty little box. The experience would manifest itself as reality, because you're not imagining the car crash - the electric zaps(physical blueprints - the language of your nervous system) for the car crash scenario are given to you - and your mind just interprets that information and you experience it all.

The actual practicalities of the whole thing are pretty much non existent though, like keeping a brain alive when it's not attached to a body, how you'd administer the shocks and where they'd actually be administered to.
My point lies with the observer effect. I've been trying to type this next sentence for the past 20 minutes, but it's just not happening.. I can't word it the way I'd like to.
I've got a 22 hour journey ahead of me tonight so I'll dedicate a lot of that to trying to structure what I'm trying to say and I'll get back to you in a few days when I get access to the net again, but for now this will do - I'll clean it up later..

Things become 1 dimensional because we have a very 1 dimensional view on things. This is our life, our world, things are the way we think they are. We like to question things, but when the questions get too scary we just dismiss them and don't even consider them as possibilities.
You take psychedelics, you've probably reached that conclusion already - but the whole "PC Reality" thing I was chatting shit about gives a peek at the possibilities.. or alternatively I've just gone insane and should take a break from drugs for a while..

 

That's a very interesting theory. I was thinking more about the effect of thinking about life. If you examine life and your living you reduce it to a single viewpoint instead of leaving it at the level of the unknown, unmanifested possibilities.

 

So like we just did? Took the one idea and went 2 kind of different ways.. I just got some spine shivers, the worlds a fucking crazy place..

 

Good topic, Walsh!

I stupidly have neglected to check in on this specific subforum for some time, so I missed out on this when it was posted.

I DEFINITELY have some knowledge to share on the subject (I have a degree in Mathematics and Physics with two higher-level Quantum Mechanics courses completed) and look forward to talking about it. I'll post my in-depth reply when I get a few more minutes!!

 

Alright...here are my thoughts on the whole 'observer paradox':

First of all, the Copenhagen Interpretation, which was theorized around 1925, is one of the earliest attempts at describing quantum mechanical states. It is far from a perfect theory, and in the past 75 years, many more theories have been put out on this topic.

Most of the modern theories (the ones I was taught in my Physics collegiate education) center around the basic principle that two things are true about the universe:

1. It is not smooth and continuous - at the base level, space and time come in 'chunks' - picture little 3 dimensional (or 11 dimensional if string theory is right) cubes that are 10^-43 meters wide. You simply cannot go any deeper than that. Space and time are DISCRETE. In fact, that is what the word 'quantum' refers to.

2. What we perceive as the passing of time and what we call 'reality' is really just our mind's best attempt to create order out of an inherently 'messy' universe. There is a statistical reality that an infinite number of permutations of a certain event HAVE indeed occurred. For some reason, we 'slide through' to the MOST likely of the scenarios. But in reality, the other statistically possible outcomes are just as real as the one we observe!

So this is where the human mind reaches a point where it simply cannot 'comfortably' comprehend reality anymore. People like myself, and researchers many times smarter than I am in the field, instead of trying to wrap our heads around the details, turn to Mathematics to explain the truth.

The beauty of the Mathematics is that one can essentially create their own universe on a piece of paper. So with higher Mathematics, specifically Partial Differential Equations coupled with Statistical Thermodynamics and Differential Geometry, we can 'figure it out'. But does it mean that myself and research professors in Physics and Mathematics can actually 'picture' the REAL universe in our heads?

Well, I think we have a better picture than most people, but I am assured that the human mind is simply not powerful enough to actually 'comfortably' imagine what the nuts and bolts of reality really are. We observe a universe in 3 dimensions of spatial movement and one time dimension. We, for some reason, view time as COMPLETELY different than space, whereas, mathematically, the difference between the two boils down to a 'minus sign' in the differential geometry matrix representation of the manifold (shape) of the Universe. But our brains treat time 'special' probably for evolutionary reasons.

Interesting that this was posted in the psychedelics forum, because many mathematicians and physicists turn to psychedelics or Cannabis to try to grasp the abstractions of the Universe and many of them, including myself, have gained good insight with their use. I recall my Junior Year of college, I smoked Cannabis and studied for a Group Theory (a form of 'abstract' algebraic symbolic manipulation) exam. Out of the class of 30 students, I scored the highest grade! Why? I think it was not because Cannabis makes you a good student (I don't think it does!!) but simply because under its influence, I was able to grasp the abstractions better. If I were to smoke Cannabis and study for Calculus, a very 'down-to-earth' and non-abstract field, I would have probably done shitty!

 

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-primacy-of-consciousness/

Very, very interesting..

 

This thread is very interesting. Quantum mechanics is intensely fascinating because it lies right on the edge of what is understandable. It lends evidence to the idea that reality is massively more complicated than anyone could really comprehend, and that the possibilities really are endless.

Am I correct in saying that the second truth is linked to the multiverse theory? It seems to be as far as I understand it.

 

Each moment is a picture. When you string moments together in rapid succession, you get animation. To have a future different from the past, it is necessary to make a different choice in the present. The choice we make in each instant is modeled on the previous instant. We see only the past but we may see a different past by making a different choice in the present. Each moment is a creation unto itself and each instant is the opportunity to lend new creation.

 

Well what that dude explains in the video is that space/time is a product of consciousness. Based on the theory of special relativity, if you look at things from lights perspective there is no such thing as time or space(closer you get to the speed of light, the more time slows and space contracts).. that would give a reasonable explanation to the observer effect, as all there is is really light which is everywhere at once, and since space and time are a manifestation of consciousness, it would appear that whatever you're measuring is in superposition.. apologies for the crummy explanation once again.. but watch the vid, it's an incredibly interesting theory..

 

I would assume your mind would think that you are actually hurt in this situation and begin sending fluids to the areas and shutting off communication to limbs that may have been knocked off during the crash.