Q. about LSD in the 60s or earlier

It's an annoying belief around here that LSD just "isn't the same anymore or isn't any way like it was back in the day", maybe this is true in some case, but I think it may be due to the availability, purity, etc.

Can anyone give me some average prices for LSD in the 60s? I'm sure if LSD was still super cheap people wouldn't mind taking hero doses, rather than savoring a few hits for a few trips, lol. Would you believe this is the reason why people (at least around me), like to make the claim that LSD back in the day would land you on mars? I'm sure LSD is LSD, just the amount needed to reach a 500mcg - 1 mg trip would require ALOT more blotter.

 

Well I've simply read interviews with Leary and Kesey, both saying that they can't really recommend LSD anymore by the late 1960's, saying that after the Sandoz company stuff went, nothing compared on a spiritual (mental high) level, although viusally it got more intense.

If that helps clarify...

 

So, Owsley's Orange Sunshine wasn't good enough for them? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Leary dose plenty after the Sandoz stuff would've been all gone? Also, it doesn't make any sense for some L to be "more visual" than other L - it's all the same chemical.

 

Also consider the timeframe that people were living in, and peoples attitude surronding the drug. Now it is much more discretely taken, and who knows the micrograms consumed. . . It is a psychological drug but obstensibly also a social drug.

 

I'm wondering how much has to do with the quality of the drug, and how much has to do with the state of the collective consciousness, the psychic landscape of the world in 2007, as opposed to the 1960's.

 

they dont lay doses as heavy nowadays for one...
i cant speak for the 60's but i can comment from 76 on..
actually earlier because i was around it from the time i was 5 or 6.76 was my first dose tho...

anyway,back then doses were free a lot of times,at least for me.late 70's you could get a 10 strip for 10 bucks.

like i said the doses in general were laid heavier than what they are today is the biggest difference i see.
that and the stupid prices kids are chargin for the shit..
be a cold day in hell before i pay 10 bucks for a dose,,wouldnt pay over 200 for a sheet,,an if i did that ,,well i wouldnt have to do that so its irrelevant.

ive ran across some super clean kick ass doses tho in the last few years,so it is still around the way it used to be but the general trend i see is that they are weaker and not as clean nowadays..

of course i aint what i used to be no more either....

 

thanks wanted kind of info like that

 

Exactly. They're talking about the 100th trip not being as profound as the first? I don't think anyone, Leary and Kesey included, could step outside of themselves enough to be able to tell. Seriously.

 

all I know is...

I got a baggie of ten 1cm x 1cm pure white squares of blotter

the girl I got them from said she knew the cooker (rather his girlfriend) personally and this cooker would only make like 4 batches a year for only him and his close friends, but she was nice enough to pass some along

and from 1.5 tabs I tripped atleast 1.5 to 2 times harder than I did on 3 grams of gold flake cubensis. Lasted for 18 hours. Took me atleast 5 days to get back to "ground zero".

Which there was no nausea, cramping, metallic weird tastes in my mouth. I was just flying fucking higher than I ever have been after just 45 minutes. Now it was my first experience, so clearly my opinion very noob. But really, I can't even imagine how a trip may get cleaner, clearer and more spiritual profound than that one. Literally, I only pieced this together about 3 days ago from a bunch of scrouging on the internet, it's been like a month since that trip. But literally, I saw myself and also felt myself as Indra, in the kairos, looking over Indra's Net. It was actually the sight of this net that I kept seeing in flashbacks in my dreams each night for a week afterwards.

Although, I know it's a fools errand to say 'I saw the top'. Certainly I won't be that foolish to claim any state of "being there fully". But to say acid is less profound, less spiritual, less mind-blowing than it was in the 60's. Even if. It is still pretty fucking mind blowing and will not dissapoint. This whole "acid aint what it used to be in the 60s" seems nothing but propaganda against acid trying to say 'oh its over, forget about'. Which to that I say bullshit. The hippie wave might have dropped, but the flow of time is not a parabola, it is a sine wave, it will come back. It already is quite on the upswing.


Also, I actually have one friend who said one of his friend I think about 5 years ago met Ken Kesey and tripped with him, on Kesey's acid. Three drops and they were tripping for about 5 days straight. Now yes, friend of a friend thing, but he showed me a picture of him with Kesey with quite a look on his face... So I'm inclined to believe him. I mean especially since, if Kesey couldn't get the best, who could?

Also I was watching this clip on youtube from politically incorrect in 1996. There had some people on there including Robert Anton Wilson. They were all having this same exact disccusion actually. One of the guys is like "now really I dont think anything going around as acid today is really acid" and everyone else was discussing it. Then Anton Wilson said 'I dunno bout you guys, but I certainly had quite the acid just 2 days ago'. Which again I think, if Anton Wilson couldn't get the good stuff, who could? But clearly he did.

I do not doubt at all that there may be just a couple AMAZING lsd cookers out there still manufacturing, but to get to it, you have to know the right people.

Even if, all you need to do is get the acid ball rolling again and a new king cooker will come out of the woodwork.

 

i love how someone who has dosed once off a cooks personal stash comes to the conclusion that all acid is the same as it was 30 or 40 years ago..

and that what those whom have lived and dosed threw 3 or 4 decades say is bullshit.

well that 1 trip certainly didnt destroy his ego now did it??

"king cooker"?? yeah thats what a cook strives to be,,king of his trade.. pffft...

 

ive had blotters that i know were just as strong as in the 60s although the trip may not be on the same level spiritually i do believe that but they were just a strongly laid. i wasnt around for the 60s though so im only going off my personal experience with LSD. i would say its just the same as everything else nowdays, peoples mindstate is generally different from those days due to computers, tv and societys thought patterns in general ect ect.

rygoody, i believe the term is cook not "cooker", and you made a bit of a fool outta yourself with the whole "king cooker" thing lol. theres not much of a cook in it, theres barely any heating in the synthesis. Isnt heat one of the major things that destroys LSD? so that term applys more for clandestine meth "cooks", i think chemist is a little more fitting and more respectable for anyone who posses the skill to be able to not only make it, but want to aswell!

 

cook, cooker... probably

but I don't find anything absurd about the notion of a highly prominent acid cook rising to fame once again just as Owsley did in the 60's

I actually think it's a necessary component to get LSD highly popular again. LSD can't just be some chemical cooked by some unknown you can't trust. You need a trusted name to be a producer if there is to be another wave.

but yes maybe chemist would be the better word

 

Never did I notion once that my trip was the whole iceberg. In fact in comparison to my friends story about Ken Kesey I would of thought it to be apparant that I obviously do not think I'm even close to having the level of acid that the old guys did in the 60's.

All I was saying, as I did say in that post, is that people going around saying "acid ain't what it used to be" are doing nothing but spreading a bad word of acid, seemingly try to shrug it off. If they wanted acid to "be what it used to be", they would introduce people on the lesser stuff they had access to, raise demand, until someone came forth with the "good stuff".

But then furthermore, all I was saying is that, although there may be some shit out there. Obviously, there is going to be some really good stuff still out there. And even if you get something less amazing, it's still going to be mind blowing to the beginner, enough to help get it going. Thats all I was trying to say in my description. Which as I said, even though I was very very high, I'm not a fool to consider I know I 'got it' because I know that 'it' is just going to be ripped away from me. Was a very nice 'it', but I know it wasnt THE 'it'. I was not trying to put a patch on my 'over ego' with that statement, its truly what I believe.

Furthermore, I think it to be quite the ego trip to be going around telling people now "oh that trip aint nothin compared to the 60's, back then man, damn". Yes, I appreciate the nice story, but if it was so good, lets work on bringing it back, not thinking about how good some people had it. Which, as I said, I do not see how going around saying "acid aint what it used to be" is aiding that in any way.

And really, what is so absurd about a highly prominent acid cook well known to everyone? Or just a branding name that everyone knows? That is exactly what happened in the 60's. Ever read about Owsley? Nothing is absurd about a man trying to strive to be the name in acid, thats exactly what happened. Of course theres the quality of, such a person will just come forward and do it, as in thats their purpose for this wave. But thats what I meant when I said, if the acid wave gets going again, someone is bound to come out of the woodwork.

 

I actually think it's a necessary component to get LSD highly popular again. LSD can't just be some chemical cooked by some unknown you can't trust. You need a trusted name to be a producer if there is to be another wave.

i agree completly accept once the acid gets down to the low-level distribution is when it loses most of its potency. most of the time i think if someone is going to mass producing LSD there going to be putting out a pretty pure product but even a trusted producers acid not stored probably will equal weak hits. the truth is to the drug dealing scum of todays age acid for the most part is a misunderstood completly and just another way for them to hustle there money. people are a product of the enviroment they grow up in and the new wave of acid heads just are not on the same level as some people where back in the 60s and we will never be able to because we didnt live through those times and ever experience that exact mindstate. because of the way that LSD is viewed publicly from the images of government propaganda it has been thrown into a group that it should never have ever been placed into and forced into the hands of street pedellers and common pushers and on the occasion the right group of people .. this means unfortunatly we will never get to live the freedom that LSD had in the 60s because our generation and all coming generations grew up and will grow up with the message of the evils of LSD, that they should eat macdonalds, burger king ect. planted into our brains over time. well thats how i see it anyway. lol

--T/M/S

 

all your speculation and theories have absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic of this thread,,FURTHERMORE,,you both were not even born till the 8o's so your speculation because youve read a book or watched a documentary is worthless ..

you shouldnt even be commenting in this thread.

the thread asked a specific question of those from a generation of which neither of you were a part of,so quit dragging it off topic for your own purpose..

maybe you should get your parents to reply to the original poster.....

 

Well in a past life I was Steve Howe and I say stuff
was slammin! Peace youngn's

 

Obviously your average hit today is far weaker than your average 60's hit. Is there still great stuff out there? Yes. Is it as good as the best stuff from the 60's? Who knows. Maybe. Probably not. Just take more!

 

idk i just seen pics of sandoz pills where each literally had 300mcg, interesting

 

all your speculation and theories have absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic of this thread,,FURTHERMORE,,you both were not even born till the 8o's so your speculation because youve read a book or watched a documentary is worthless ..

you shouldnt even be commenting in this thread.

the thread asked a specific question of those from a generation of which neither of you were a part of,so quit dragging it off topic for your own purpose..

maybe you should get your parents to reply to the original poster.....





maybe you should find a big old dick and stick it straight in your ass followed by your mouth so you get that big ol' faggot taste that it seems you love so much, then why dont you read what i actually wrote . oh yeah and because we were born in the 80s SO WHAT!?!, so your saying because someone wasnt there for something their opinion should be tossed to the side straight away? lol great way to think for somebody preachin about the 60s. your basically saying because scientists were around for anything in the past, they know nothing about it?? great logic. lol

i think i can remember you saying in another thread that you started taking acid sometime around 76 was it? I think that was you... in which case your opinion should be thrown to the side as well as this thread is called " Q. about LSD in the 60s or earlier " considering you would have been about 6 when the 60s ended

and just for the record, fuck you. i can post anywhere i like, stupid old ****

 

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