Probability.

Such a confusing thing.. if you think about it.. everything that happens has a 100% chance of occuring.. otherwise it woudln't have hapened.. therefore probability is void.. and destiny is a fact.

I guess it's basicaly the free will argument.. technicaly we can't have free will.. but it seems we do...

Anyone got any kind of answers to this conundrum? I don't think it's something science itself has answered.

If your going to reply with something like 'ofcourse i have free will! i can choose to post a reply or choose not too.. ' then think about the first paragraph carefully.. and you will realise that destiny is logical.

 

Have you heard of schrodingers cat?
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci341236,00.html

 

this is really prtty damn interesting, thnx lode.

i've talked about this subject for a long time.. and i've never been pointed in this direction... it's taking a bit of thinking to get my head around though.

 

Essentially all possibilities exist untill observed.

This basically means that we the observer, make the choices of what universe were all in every day. And perhaps all the other possibilities still exist too. We just are aware of the one of which the choices we've made.

I don't think that necessarily implies so much of predetermination, as much as nigh infinite possibility.

We shape our own realities.

 

complex stuff.. have you seen 'what the bleep do we know' ? prtty.. odd movie.. but it seems that the theory you sent me a link too is kinda to do with what the film suggests? that we control the universe.. somehow..

i guess it's all to do with quantum mechanics.. but i really don't know where to start reading first with that.. it's all so complicated.. and i failed my science GCSE (high school - 16 year old level science)

i hate it when philosophy and physics merge..

 

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-7549858969748447007&q=what+the+bleep+do+we+know&total=493&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

it gets into quantum physics and all that stuff.

that is what the bleep do we know ^

 

i don't know anything about quantum mechanics.. but i really want to learn and that film just confused me.. it wasn't very clear... had a weird ass story to go along with it..

 

I only took bits and peices of it, mostly the theory. Some of the people interviewed are a bit sketchy.

 

Nah, what the bleep is pseudoscientific bullshit. All the scientists they had in that after watching the film, went "wait wait wait. No."

Quantum mechanics don't have anything to do with consciousness. And meditating on ice crystals can't alter their shape.

 

No, but does quantum physics not havea lot to do with probability.

 

I was using it as an analogy. Schroedinger's cat doesn't have anything to do with probability either.

By taking it literally, you're missing the point.

 

edyb...maybe you should take a little vacation from drugs.

if you dedicated as much thought to something useful im sure you could find us a cure for aids or cancer or some shit. put that brain to good use.

 

haha, i rarely use drugs... it's just i'm posting my philosophical thoughts in the random thoughts section.. head over to the philosophy section and you'll see that i'm prtty damn average.

 

From a meta-physical point of view, everything has already happened.

Your life becomes a blow by blow discovery of this fact.


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you know, I really love thinking about stuff like that - deep philosophical questions about life and such.. but.. I've realized thinking about it too much kinda makes me feel like going insane.. and.. I figured.. what's the point.. you know? we can't know, that's the thing..

 

Thinking about things until it drives you insane is the only true form of thinking.

 

that's masochism to me..

 

somewhat i guess, the worlds greatest thinkers had to be driven somehow.

 

nothing to be confused about. probability just means some things happen more often then others. sometimes a lot more often. sometimes only a little. and that some things happen more often when other thing happen first.

which between the two of them, is pretty much all that we ever really know anyway.

just a more honest way of saying it then "always except ...", which with enough excepts to BE honest, now THAT can get "confusing".

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There's a finite probability of anything happening, gravity reversing and everything falling upwards, for instance. Of course, the likelihood of this is infintessimally small...
The very fact that our universe exists is the result of an occurence with a billions-to-one probability.

Crazy shit.