Preventing suicide

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bilby, Feb 10, 2012.

  1. Bilby

    Bilby Lifetime Supporter and Freerangertarian Super Moderator

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    Recently in town there has been another suicide.I think there needs to be some urgent changes in government health policy. I suggest the following factors need to be considered.
    1. There have been a number of studies linking depression with low salt diets.The suggestion that low fat diets are suitable for people with heart disease is not backed up by science. What is bad for your heart is trans fat found in margarine and hydrogenated vegetable oil. Margarine production therefore needs to be phased out. An immediate halt to hydrogenated vegetable oil will not cause any food shortages.
    2. Autopsies on suicide victims usually show low cholesterol serum levels. The sale of statin medications therefore need to be stopped. There is no scientific evidence that taking statins prevents heart disease.
    3. Medical professionals need to be re-educated about low fat diets and depression.
     
  2. celebrating

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    I don't think food has anything to do with suicide. Freud and Jung said that people are born with a death wish. 25% OF PEOPLE WHO SUFFER FROM DEPRESSION HAVE A POSSIBILITY OF COMMITTING SUICIDE. Exercise, and the need to have the will to live, meditation ,and doing practical things at the same time, can be very useful
    Thinking too much about things can not be good, that's why meditation is good for people with depression, because it takes them outside of the thinking process of the mind, leaving them cleansed of all negativity.
     
  3. Rutz

    Rutz The Farming Communist

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    What right do you have to stop people from committing suicide?
     
  4. darkforest

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    I'm taking the libertarian view on this one. I'm all for friends, family and medical professionals doing what they can to stop someone from killing themselves, but let's not get the government involved. I don't want people in prison for trying to kill themselves or killed by the cops for trying it either.
     
  5. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    A large part of me thinks this is exactly what would happen.
     
  6. celebrating

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    Too bad you're banned.
    But I have the same right as anyone if I don't think you're right.
    I am pro-life. And I have my right to my opinion. People will decide what to do with their negativity once it has gone and turned positive. After listening to my opinion.
     
  7. czarpoesia

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    To be honest, there isn`t much we can do. If someone wants to end their life, it will ultimately be their choice in the end. I have suicidal thoughts here & there, but I enjoy life at its ups & I feel like ending my life would just hurt everyone around me. Yes, it is selfish; but look at it in their perspective. It`s a psychological thing & it depends on the person really & what they`ve been through. It will defiantly hurt people, but maybe it`s best for them? Wouldn`t you rather them die & end the pain then have them live with their issues until they die naturally, etc.? It`s not our choice, neither is it our choice on if we should end someone`s life with an electrical chair for punishment or killing people in war. Seriously, this is why I don`t understand people. Let people do what they want for themselves.
     
  8. Meliai

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    I think a bad diet can be linked to depression

    but I think suicide is a very, very complicated issue that can't be solved by something that simplistic.

    There are a lot of factors - medication, diet, quality of life, community or lack thereof.
     
  9. scratcho

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    I would try to prevent someone from killing themself, because I have seen dead things,human and otherwise. The dead look and ARE pretty useless. We all get will our chance at that--why rush it? Tho I guess that to bear horrific physical or mental pain is just too much for some.
     
  10. Comfortablynumb11

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    Umm I could be totally wrong but I am just going to question the idea diet is causing depression and suicide. It can certainly be a factor in some ways since lack of some nutrients can cause lack of energy and other things associated with depression making already existing depression worse for instance.

    But I think there are more important things to focus on, I mean one could have a perfect diet and still be in a very depressing negative environment, around people who make them feel worse with no way out or so it seems to them. Then there are the biological factors such as having problems with brain chemistry causing depressed feelings there aren't a direct cause for....I imagine that could even develop after the initial being in a shitty environment for too long your brain gets used to it and leaves you depressed even if things are going alright.
     
  11. Comfortablynumb11

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    I don't think its any more selfish then the people around the suicidal person wanting them to stick around regardless of the pain they're in...in both cases neither is exactly wrong naturally someone in pain who sees no other alternative to end the pain other than death is going to be attempting suicide and the people who care about that person don't want to lose them. So both sides are selfish.........so I don't quite get why there is always that emphasis on suicide being selfish.

    Especially when from my experience it is very possible to feel everyone else would be better off in the long run if you off yourself. That particular rationale is not very selfish and I doubt I am the only one who's attempted suicide and considered that thought.
     
  12. czarpoesia

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    I guess I should`ve made myself clear instead of just saying selfish for the suicidal victim. I think that both sides are selfish too. You`re right, that thought is the only thing that really flows/matters in the mind of someone wanting to kill themselves/attempting it. It`s a serious issue, but it should be that person`s choice; no one else`s.
     
  13. Comfortablynumb11

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    wtf...ignore that one.
     
  14. Comfortablynumb11

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    Yes indeed, though I cannot blame people for wanting to stop someone from suicide and I might do the same......after all if they are really determined they'll find a way to follow through in which case I probably would not hold it against them as I know what it feels like to be suicidal but it would be sad. Also its always weird if you've survived an attempt because its hard to say honestly if you actually wish you had succeeded or are glad you didn't especially if some of the things that lead you to take such extreme measures in the first place persist or seem to prove you were right in your reasoning.
     
  15. Piney

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    Was riding on a passenger train when it hit an automobile at a road crossing. The train stopped and the electricty was out

    The employees on the train; the conductor, the ticket collector ect were visibly shaken and bummed at the thought of someone dying at the colliusion.
     
  16. jamgrassphan

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    There is no amount of brain chemistry tweaking that will ever overcome the fact that anyone of us is exactly 3 or less bad pitches away from coming to the reasonable conclusion that life is too much to bear.
     
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