Prayer in school

Does anyone here remember prayer in school? I do. And I used to pray my heart out to the Lord! And nobody I knew in the school was ever offended! I remember the day they outlawed it.......


And your money says in God we trust
but it's against the law to pray in school.....




Bustramp

 

I'd pray anyway. What are they gonna do about it? Slilently bow your head, fold your hands, and say what you have to say. Like I said...What are they gonna do about it? I think it's more of a question of imposing your beliefs on other people then actually prayer itself.

 

Yeah, the issue was over precribed prayer in school not prayer by the general populace.

I really do believe it is because mainstream America is afraid of religion that this is still an issue. Here at my High School graduation dinner, we had a student say a prayer/grace before. I even think she mentioned Jesus. And then today i heard about a girl who mentioned god in her speach at her Grad in the USA and the school tried to censor it and when she said it anyways on stage they rushed her off...

 

Uhh you can pray if you want. It's not illegal, it's illegal to force people to. You christians merely wisdh you were so persecuted.

 

it's not as bad here in england, but it probably will be soon, what with this politcal correctness.

I dont get it though, why when in america it says "in God we trust" and their laws are based on biblical laws....why ban prayer? america was founded on christianity i thought?

 

dude, my high school has a group for christian students and they come before school and pray and shit. they were all standing around the flagpole the other day "praying for our school". wtf does our school need prayer for?

 

Sept 27th was "Prayer at the Pole" (at least up here). Chrisitan student groups at my unniversity held one. I don't know spcifically what they were prayer for, but whatever. I can't rememerb if I had class and thatw as my excuse for not going, or if public praryer was my excuse.

http://www.syatp.com/home/ here is the home page for it if anyone is interested in finding out more about it. I think it is pretty interesting in a number of ways...

 

do you really need to pray in school? cannot you not last 7 hours without praying? school is a place of learning, not of religion. i like to meditate on a daily basis, but i don't ask for private meditation time at school. i go to school to learn.

 

haha, that would probably calm people down and make way more people happier then praying would.

 

Se, this is what I don't understand. Why are you against someone bowing their head and saying a few words to themselves (or a higher being depending on your point of view).

The whole prayer in school issue was started because prayers were being said over the intercom at a public school, that should be and is illegal for a government insitution.

FedUp, I'd like to hear what you think. Forget all jokes, personal views about god(s), but are you against a student being able to pray by themselves on school grounds?

 

Cool...Ok.

 

yeah. i'm with fedup on this one. if students want to gather around during lunch or whenever, they are more then welcome to. as long as everyone is given the same rights, and a specific part of the day isn't taken out to preform it, then that is cool.

 

Now this is something that really pisses me off. It's just bullshit, 100% pure bullshit. The idea that America was founded on Bible laws is an out and out lie perpetrated by the extreme right. The founding fathers were a mix of deists, unitarians, existentialists, and atheists. Neither God, nor Jesus, nor the Bible is ever mentioned even once in the Constitution or bill of rights, I think that God shows up once of twice in the declaration of independance but that's the most that adhearance to religion ever played any part in the founding of America. The founding of this nation (the U.S.A.) was 100% secular and the nation was intended by the founders to remain that way.

And whats "not as bad" in England? You mean government prohibitions on religious persecution of non-fundamentalists? Holy shit, Christians are not being persecuted anywhere in the western world. I am a Christian, and this persecution fantasy shit really gores my ox. Saying that Christians are being persecuted is like saying that rich white CEO's are being persecuted; total shit.

Damn, now I've gotten myself all worked up over this.

 

Well I really only wanted to hear from people who were in school when prayer was legal, this is becoming a debate, but the Pilgrims settled in America to escape European persecution and create an atmosphere of religious liberty.


Bustramp

 

yeah, but the pilgrims came here 400 hundred years ago too. things change. i don't think there is religious prosecution going on here. you wouldn't want to have to sit through muslim prayers coming in over the intercom and your school everyday. it's much easier to not have a formal time for prayer in school, and just allow people to do it on their on time.

 

I call B.S. on that. No offense meant to you Burby. But seriously, the pilgrims came here to establish a society based on puritanical dogma, not on religious liberty. In the society they invisioned everybody would obey, to the letter, the decrees of the elders of the puritan church. Those who did not were either exiled into the wilderness with no clothes or food, or were burned at the stake. Certainly not an atmosphere of "liberty" by any means. Thank God (and yes I mean that) that our founding fathers did not take after the puritans.

 

Prayer in school is legal. What is illegal is teachers or authority figures within the school forcing entire classrooms to pray or to lead entire classes or student bodies in prayer, and the such. It is still perfectly acceptable and not at all illegal for students to get together of their own free will and pray (my public school had prayer at the flagpole as well), or for a student to bow his head over his lunchroom meal, and the like.

 

Yes, exactly. I came to Christ through a group called "Campus wave". We met after school hours and just talked about the Bible. We prayed of course but there was no compulsion, no authority. Some teachers came to the group and even they did not attempt to covey any kind of authority.

This is how "Prayer in school" should manifest itself. It should not be compulsory and it should not constitute any part of the school day nor any part of offical school activities except as entierly private and voluntary endevors on the part of individual students. After school is a slightly different matter, and there should be resources available for any kind of religious student groups that students wish to establish, Christian groups, Jewish groups, Muslim groups, Buddhist groups, whatever.

 

huh?

 

They are talking about their god the god of this world mammon not the lord of the bible.