So I'm sure there's some other current event junkies in the SL. What do you think about these Somalian pirate hijacking's lately? ^not real pirate
I think it's pretty interesting. Kinda fukt up, but interesting. It would probably be pretty fun and lucrative to be a pirate though. Just floating around hijacking boats and killing people who resist your piracy:tongue:
I love how people keep calling them 'pirates', they're fucking terrorists. It's such bullshit that they don't let these guys who are getting hijacked carry guns. Any time spent negotiating with this animals who keep hijacking these ships are a waste of time. Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out is what I say.
well terrorists don't seek money. Pirates do. Plus they are actually hijacking ships which is kinda the image that goes along with the term 'pirate' although there's alota kinds of pirates. The thing is, these 'pirates' live in one of the poorest countries and have an unstable gov't that is comprised of rebel warlords who hoard food from villages and enlist children soldiers. So for these 'pirates', it's a chance to escape. But I totally see the frustration you feel when NATO affiliates like the Dutch are letting the pirates go punishment free lol. That, is fucked up.
It woudl be kind of fun to be one of those pirates going around really fast in a fast boat, Im baked, I feel like my words wont make sense
Things that make you go mmmm... Pirates: the $80m Gulf connection Crime syndicates laundering vast sums taken in ransom from ships and their crews hijacked in Horn of Africa Organised piracy syndicates operating in Dubai and other Gulf states are laundering vast sums of money taken in ransom from vessels hijacked off the Horn of Africa. Investigators hired by the shipping industry have told The Independent that around $80m (£56m) has been paid out in the past year alone – far more than has previously been admitted. But while some of this money has ended up in the pirate havens of Somalia, millions have been laundered through bank accounts in the United Arab Emirates and other parts of the Middle East. The so-called "godfathers" of the illicit operations, according to investigators, include businessmen from Somalia and the Middle East, as well as other nationalities on the Indian sub-continent. There have also been reports that some of the money from piracy ransoms has gone to Islamist militants. Related articles Somali pirates release chemical tanker Piracy: 'I don't even tell my company what route I'm taking' The security company Idarat Maritime, which specialises in maritime protection, is working with leading Lloyd's underwriters to formulate safeguards for shippers. Christopher Ledger, a former Royal Marine officer and a director of the firm, said: "There is evidence that syndicates based in the Gulf – some in Dubai – play a significant role in the piracy which is taking place off the African coast. There are huge amounts of money involved and this gives the syndicates access to increasingly sophisticated means of moving money as well as access to modern technology in carrying out the hijackings. This is an international problem and the shipping companies need to ensure that their crews learn how to deal with it." Investigators have discovered that the pirate gangs are exploiting information available to the shipping industry to plan their attacks. Front organisations are believed to have signed up to the Lloyd's List ship movement database, and sources such as Jane's Intelligence, to ascertain protective measures being undertaken by the shippers. In addition they have bought equipment to monitor radio traffic. A few well-funded pirate syndicates have experimented with a "stealth" paint such as AR 1, invented by a German scientist living in the UAE, which is credited with making boats difficult to spot via the long-range radar of cargo liners. It is not clear whether the use of the paint has been effective in helping hijackings, but its use, say the security companies, shows that the pirates are seeking out advanced technology and have the means to acquire it. Andrew Mwangura, a piracy expert in the Kenyan port of Mombasa, says the gun-wielding Somalis who are fighting and dying in the hijackings are the just the front men of larger syndicates. "They are just the small fish. The big sharks operate out of places like Dubai, Nairobi and Mombasa," he said. Mr Mwangura, who has observed the rise of piracy while running the East African Seafarers Assistance Programme, says that what began as a localised response to illegal fishing and dumping of toxic waste in Somali waters has evolved into organised crime. A former merchant seaman, he has been involved in attempts to negotiate the release of hostages and is sought out by diplomats, shipowners and the pirates themselves. He says the profits have drawn in "high-ranking figures" from the semi-autonomous Puntland region and members of the now defunct transitional government of Somalia. "We strongly believe that Mombasa- and UAE-based Somali businessmen are also part of the network." Neil Roberts, a senior official with Lloyd's Market Association, and the secretary of "the war committee" of Lloyd's and the insurance industry, said: "We are certainly seeing a lot of sophistication in the way piracy has developed. Attacks are being carried out 400 to 600 miles out at sea. This shows the pirates have access to pretty detailed information of ship movements. They certainly have access to the internet and information that is helping them. The question of UAE connection is certainly talked about in the industry and people have been looking into it." There are also concerns that some of the piracy money may have ended up with Islamist militants both in Somalia and abroad. However this has not been acknowledged because shipping companies would be breaking laws on funding terrorism by paying ransoms. Stephen Askins, senior partner with the law firm Ince & Co, which specialises in the subject, said: "Current anti-terrorist laws make it illegal to make payment to those who carry out such acts motivated by politics or ideology. "This does not apply to victims of extortion in criminal cases. We know the US State Department is looking at upgrading piracy to a possible political act but this will make it very difficult for shipping companies to free the many members of crew who are still being held and the cargo being held as well. We know people are looking at those who are subsidising the pirates and we will have to see what happens." Major General Julian Thompson, the chairman of Idarat and a former commander in the Royal Marines, added: "What we can say is that these people are not just fishermen who have taken up a bit of piracy as a hobby. The people in ultimate charge of some of the groups have access to some pretty good information and they are well organised. Dubai seems to be the place which has a part in this." http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/pirates-the-80m-gulf-connection-1671657.html btw, Terrorists do seek money, too. They kidnap people.
That's entirely too much for me to read, at this particular moment in time. lol Maybe later. The thing is, piracy is the way they survive. They probably see it as a necessity.
Pirates are basically the rock stars of Somalia, and they definitely aren't terrorist, this is why we can't just kill them all. The pirates don't want to hurt anyone, in fact most crews say they are treated very well by them, they just want money. We start killing them they start killing us. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7623329.stm they really are the rock stars of somalia
Snippets. Mr Mwangura, who has observed the rise of piracy while running the East African Seafarers Assistance Programme, says that what began as a localised response to illegal fishing and dumping of toxic waste in Somali waters has evolved into organised crime. "We strongly believe that Mombasa- and UAE-based Somali businessmen are also part of the network." Stephen Askins, senior partner with the law firm Ince & Co, which specialises in the subject, said: "Current anti-terrorist laws make it illegal to make payment to those who carry out such acts motivated by politics or ideology. "This does not apply to victims of extortion in criminal cases. We know the US State Department is looking at upgrading piracy to a possible political act but this will make it very difficult for shipping companies to free the many members of crew who are still being held and the cargo being held as well. We know people are looking at those who are subsidising the pirates and we will have to see what happens." Still too much? Somali pirates might not be the poor but well financed terrorists.
Most of the pirates were originally local fisherman. They made a living fishing. But there is basically no government there. Foreign countries and companies were dumping in the waters there-killing all of the fish. The locals armed themselves to chase away the ships. Thugs took over and here we are. There is no fish there anymore. Any economy that was there was killed. I'm not making excuses one way or another. Just stating what happened.
lol That's more like it. I'm too sober to read your other post:tongue: Still, imagine how poor they would be if they didn't do the shit they do. They would be scraping the bottom of the barrel and they may even be killed. For all we know, many of the pirates may have been recruited against their will and/or brainwashed into doing shit like that from an early age. That's probably not the case, but you never know.
I doubt it is the case. But, perhaps a legitimate reason has been taken over by a not so legitimate reason. Like, KevinH, has said (and the article intimates). Imo, there are millions of Somalians NOT resorting to piracy...sopoverty is a rubbish reason they became pirates. Also, I doubt the pirates believe in socialism...so any money gained does not help anybody but a few. Pirate advert: Earn lots of cash quick. Tax free. Don't think much brainwashing was involved.
Poverty is not a rubbish reason, all 9 million somalis can't be pirates, it is a very dangerous job. I think it's hard to understand the complete and absolute poverty most somalis live in.
this is quite the comment when you look at pirates as rational economic actors or businessmen. hurting the crew they take over would be counter-productive to there self-interest: getting the money. they start hurting or killing the crews, then its going to be tough to get new ships because eventually crews will fight back, forcing the pirates to use resources that would be otherwise used for somethign more productive, so the pirates lose out.
I wouldn't see poverty as being a bad reason. They may not have been intentionally brainwashed, but the fact that they see the "pirate" lifestyle as a way to make money and escape poverty....that could be perceived as a form of indirect societal brainwashing. Choices are made based on the best options available, and maybe many of them view killing and robbing/stealing as a better option than being dirt-poor. You could compare the pirates to the street gangs in the US.
I'm not so confident it is to escape poverty. Too much credit might be given to these pirates. They could be a bunch of c***S - simple as that.
You're right. They could just be doing it for shits and giggles. I can certainly see the appeal:tongue: haha
