Paradox of phenomena

Discussion in 'Existentialism' started by Cherea, Nov 9, 2008.

  1. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    How can we say something that constantly changes is? How can we say it is not?

    That realization has important emotional implications for me. One can only experience such a thing directly ---.
     
  2. snake_grass

    snake_grass Senior Member

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    are you talking about the humans vision?
     
  3. StonerBill

    StonerBill Learn

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    how about: IF we can experience it as something changing, then there must be something consistent across time, even if it is a packet of sensory informations

    things only 'are' if we can apprehend them. its sorta like...

    what makes a 'thing'? where can you draw the borders on a thing?

    well at some point in our brains development, it establishes certain conditions for 'things'. and we all end up agreeing upon these conditions, because we all experience the wholeness of 'things' in the same way.

    taking psychedelic drugs can change reality because the borders of things changes... the system of linking sensory cues or conceptual factors to a single 'thing' stops working in the same way as convention
     
  4. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    This is interesting- but you're description is nothing but random subconscious associations. It occurs all the time- yet psychadelics bring it to the forefront, I imagine.

    As does sleep---
     
  5. StonerBill

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    i dunno what you mean about the random associations.

    but the relevance in psychedelics I was trying to make is that things only remain single things throughout change because our mind holds them as concepts continuously. When on psychedelics you can break from this system and things will no longer be any one 'thing' at all.
    It isnt like the universe is made up of 'things'. we impose those borders with our mind. And we can drop them by altering the mind. and when you come back... you sort of realise what all the 'thingness' was about.

    its sort of like an algorithm of existance.. the same algorithm can have many different states (depending on what you put in it) but it is the same throughout.
     
  6. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    I understand exactly what you're saying, though I've never experimented with psychadelics.

    The reason why I can understand what you say is that "thingishness" also vanishes during my meditation practice and in my dreams.
     
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