Paper Towels or Hand Blow Dryer thing?

Discussion in 'The Environment' started by Hippie_Jon, Feb 12, 2007.

  1. Hippie_Jon

    Hippie_Jon Noj

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    which is actually better for the enviroment? when i have the choice i usually use paper towels because the hand blow dryer thingie doesn't work good, but which is really better???
     
  2. peaceful

    peaceful Member

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    Neither. Just go straight to step #4 of Hand dryer instructions: Wipe hands on pants.
     
  3. barter mama

    barter mama Member

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    What about the old-school things that are one long loop of towel that cycles through the little crank? Our co-op has one of those. No paper waste or electricity. :)

    Or, like peaceful says, you can always wipe hands on pants. Or air dry by flailing your arms around like crazy. Might as well have fun while you're drying your hands... hehehee!
     
  4. enfys moon

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    yeah i go for the old fashioned wipe hand son pants deal... unless im at work. then i have to use paper towles or the blow dryer thing... when i was at school we had a towel loop thing which was ok but people used to pull it heaps and they ended up wasting lots of it for no reason
     
  5. -fp-

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    I would go for the wipe on pants option as well!


    Works perfectly!

    Fabian
     
  6. Samhain

    Samhain Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    you sound like my mother
    paper but only two sheets or hand blower but only one push
    S
     
  7. MaximusXXX

    MaximusXXX Senior Member

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    Paper, I think we're smart enough to make paper instead of getting it from trees.
     
  8. Gaston

    Gaston Loup Garou

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    Yes, from hemp! Hemp, hemp, the miracle plant, the plant with a thousand and one uses (and you know what that "one" is...) :)
     
  9. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    so we are now lookingat three options: heated forced air, cellulose disposable towels and washable towels.
    I'm inclined to guess that in wise use (haha) the blowers come up slightly better and here's why:
    all three options in a public restroom have a metal casing: for teh blower, for teh disposables, for the washable towel loop.
    all required energy to be created. even with a bit more for motor parts, I'm not sure that outpaces cotton production and then milling/ weaving or the energy and water required for paper (that's even assuming ppost consumer or a hemp situation and not taking the damage of clear cutting)
    So, the loop towel has a finite production point: the towel and case are made, but there is washing, which is done with hot water and sanitation chemicals.
    The blower also has a finite production. disposables do not.
    so, one looks at the maintenence of the loop towel and the blower.
    neither causes continual waste in a physical form, although the loop towel will need to be replaced sooner than a blower part, I'd guess.
    I think, long term, the blower lasts longer with less maintenence energy.
     
  10. badmoonrising11

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    ^^ yes. =]. but i still dig the flail arms and wipe on pants.
     
  11. Willy_Wonka_27

    Willy_Wonka_27 Surrender to the Flow

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    i always use the blower when avalable.

    it drys my hands soooo much better than towles and i believe it is better for the enviornment.
     
  12. twiztidrainbow

    twiztidrainbow Senior Member

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    hand blow dryer
     
  13. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    uhhhh fuel oil? :p
     
  14. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    my luck I'd do this with paint on my skirt/ trousers.
    So I trained myself to use only one spot on the hem of my skirt (long skirts of course)
     
  15. Magical Fire Lady

    Magical Fire Lady Senior Member

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    Yeah I usually wipe my hands on my pants just cuz I like to do things fast and I can do that while I'm walking.. the only time I use a paper towel is if I have charcoal or paint or something like that on my hands.. I think the blow dryer thingy is better for the environment though.. or thats what it says on the thingy hah I don't know.
     
  16. HippyHippyShake

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    both in my opinion are bad... paper towels are killing trees... unless you recycle.. and air dryers use up energy... wiping stuff on my pants is where its at :]
     
  17. Pronatalist

    Pronatalist Banned

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    "The environment?" The environment doesn't care one way or the other.

    Some time ago, restrooms had some loop of cloth for hand drying, until somebody finally decided that reusing somebody else's damp towell, was probably unsanitary.

    Thus, we got cheap, throwaway paper towel dispensers.

    In my view, restrooms ideally would be equiped with BOTH. Paper towells work better and serve to wipe up messes. Many people may prefer paper, because it is faster, or if there is a line at the electric blow dryer. But any restroom supplier would be smart to have an electric dryer also, because it is self-replenishing, a very important benefit. Almost any time something is supplied by a wire or pipe, it is likely cheaper to operate, because somebody doesn't have to come by all the time, to put more in. Isn't natural gas cheaper than propane, for probably much that reason? An electric dryer helps keep paper in the paper disenser longer. And of course, it gives people a choice.

    Now which is better? Nuclear power plants to produce all that clean electricity (the blower), or using paper (paper towels) to log trees to reduce fuel for future natural forest fires? I say it would be better to live a "simpler" more elegant life, and stay home more, due to such hazards as idiot drivers who tailgate or don't use turn signals, and that the more often people leave home the more money they tend to spend.

    But it's like the question "paper or plastic" at the supermarket checkout lines. It really doesn't make much difference one way or the other. (I ask for paper, because it fits my kitchen trash can better, and paper sacks don't tip over in my car so easily as plastic.) God has already provided plenty of resources for everybody, if they would work and develop them. Sure, "waste not, want not," or something like that, but neither the hand blower nor paper towels is waste.

    At home, people seem to prefer cloth still, since it is "the real thing" and not some cheap paper substitute. I also prefer "real" plates over flimsy, throwaway paper plates, but that's at home when I have time to wash dishes. But at a picnic, let me have my paper plates, as who wants to wash dishes out where's there's no hot water?

    I used to use plastic-coated paper plates, even though the most expensive cook-at-home option, back when I didn't have enough time to wash dishes, because paper soaks through, and styrofoam melts and bends into funny shapes in the microwave oven. Now I found an even cheaper strategy. I just don't wash dishes any more. It's okay, as a little dried on food crud prevents any fuzzy stuff growing. It doesn't get too bad without water to make it mold. And those plastic microwave trays that the food comes in, are reusable even if not washed. Of course I will wash up my dishes, someday when I finally find some time.

    How about what's cheaper, easier, or what people want?
     
  18. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    because this is the environment forum, not the lazy people who make excuses for their choices forum.
    glad you are feeding your huge brood off dirty plates. Those throwaway needles for antibiotics or formaldehyde for the funeral are also so great....
     
  19. Pronatalist

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    Lots of people reuse a plate, at least a time or two, especially if it only but has a few sandwich crumbs.

    BTW, my brood isn't so huge yet. Don't you think if I had all those children, I would give them clean dishes, although I may not technically "need" the cleanest of dishes, just for myself?

    And where you get this word, "lazy?" There are many brilliant people, I think even Einstein, who have been at times far too busy with studying far more important issues, to worry about such mundane things as eating or combing hair, as often as some people may think needs to be done.

    Actually, some of the things people do, to maintain their bodies, tend to be counterproductive. They say that, with experiments with animals at least, that eating less is healthier. So who really is healthiest? Those who gorge themselves 3 times a day and "clean off their plates," because they are not "lazy" and always "eat on time," all the while putting on those unnecessary extra pounds in a growing obesity epidemic, or those who finally get around to eating out of necessity and still clean off their plates BTW?

    And since you didn't get it, I will specifically point out, that I don't get around to washing dishes so much, because of all the junk-mail, telemarketers, busiwork and paperwork that the government makes us do, all the swirling accelerating technology--excessive "business" of today's world. I would make protest against that--actually. Maybe I happen to care more, about learning about math, and about inventing better things, and figuring out how to do what I love for work, than about how "clean" my dishes are. Are they not my dishes--my choice?

    My sister, always seems to have a pile of dirty dishes, and she has a built-in dishwasher. Seems to be what happens, to people who actually have families and children, unlike me, I am still looking for a wife.

    Come to think of it, I wonder just how many dirty dishes you yourself have piled up? Come on people, fess up. What percentage of you, have trouble keeping up with the dishes in today's busy world?

    And I will tell you another thing. I don't bathe each and every day, either. Gasp! So do I get credit for "conserving water" or something, or do I get no credit at all, because the means I use, might by some, be wrongly considered "laziness?" (Actually I likely still bathe far more than people did, before the invention of the "time-saving" automatic hot water heater.) What I like about the "simplier," less consumerist lifestyle, is not the nonsense about how supposedly "green" it is, but rather, in some respects, it can be easier.
     
  20. Pronatalist

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    BTW, reading somebody else's post, I wonder if wiping one's hands on one's pants leg, could be "laziness?"
     

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